Talk:Sacred Heart Cathedral, Rajkot
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Requested move
edit- The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: Not moved. No evidence was offered in the discussion that this church is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC of Prem Mandir. Even though Prem Mandir Vrindavan is a new article it is getting a respectable number of page hits. The Vrindavan temple building is said to be elaborate and expensive. Unless further study shows that the article on one temple is much more likely to be sought by readers than the other, it makes sense to have a DAB page. EdJohnston (talk) 22:06, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
Prem Mandir Gujarat → Prem Mandir – The page was recently moved from Prem Mandir to Prem Mandir Gujarat by KuwarOnline (talk · contribs), with the stated rationale There are few more temples/mandir using same name. There is no need for disambiguation because 1) there is only one article about Prem Mandir on Wikipedia 2) This cathedral was the first place to be given this name and thus has primacy 3) This is (arguably) the most notable place with this name. The Discoverer (talk) 20:47, 25 March 2014 (UTC)
- The Discoverer (talk · contribs) I will be creating new article on prem mandir, mathura(India) soon. So its technically required to have disambiguation. About primacy lets not fight over it. Lets have what normally wikipedia provides. The disambiguation page. KuwarOnlineTalk 04:50, 27 March 2014 (UTC)
- Comment "There is no need for disambiguation because 1) there is only one article about Prem Mandir on Wikipedia" is the opposite of what WP:Disambiguation says, but is now moot unless anyone intends to AfD Prem Mandir Vrindavan. As it stands the Catholic Prem Mandir Gujarat founded 2000 in Rajkot doesn't demonstrate particular notability. The question is whether the new temple inaugurated February 2012 is getting significant coverage in independent print media. The temple's founder, the late Kripalu Maharaj, certainly gets significant coverage in Google Books, and these sources make specific reference to the Vrindavan site in connection with Kripalu Maharaj's court case. I am not sure whether it would generate WP:BLP issues (related to those still living) to discuss the exact frame of reference of those book mentions, but in terms of notability the notability of the Vrindavan ashram is linked to notability of its founder. In ictu oculi (talk) 11:56, 2 April 2014 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Common name?
edit@Achayan, you moved this page from Prem Mandir Gujarat to Sacred Heart Syro-Malabar Cathedral, Rajkot, citing WP:COMMONNAME. WP:COMMONNAME states that "Wikipedia does not necessarily use the subject's "official" name as an article title; it prefers to use the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources.". Prem Mandir seems to be a common name in the vernacular, while Sacred Heart Syro-Malabar Cathedral seems to be the official name. Can you show that Sacred Heart Syro-Malabar Cathedral rather than Prem Mandir is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources? The Discoverer (talk) 15:06, 22 April 2015 (UTC)
- Official website of the Syro-Malabar Church: http://www.syromalabarchurch.in › Parish › Rajkot Eparchy. And the official website of Rajkot eparchy is here. And I know several Carmelites of Mary Immaculate priests from Rajkot personally and all of them address this church as SH or Sacred Heart. Prem Mandir is hardly used among common people. All the articles in Malayalam dailies relating to Rajkot eparchy also mention it as Sacred Heart Syro-Malabar Cathedral. If you still feel that the moving of the page was a mistake, please feel free to undo it. Thanks and Cheers. Achayan (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- The official website of the eparchy uses both 'Prem Mandir' and 'Sacred Heart of Jesus Cathedral Church'. I'll take your word for it, though. Still, 'Prem Mandir' is quite widely used and we should at least mention in the article that it is also known as 'Prem Mandir'. Cheers :) The Discoverer (talk) 13:41, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Sure, Agree to your point. Achayan (talk) 14:08, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- The official website of the eparchy uses both 'Prem Mandir' and 'Sacred Heart of Jesus Cathedral Church'. I'll take your word for it, though. Still, 'Prem Mandir' is quite widely used and we should at least mention in the article that it is also known as 'Prem Mandir'. Cheers :) The Discoverer (talk) 13:41, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
- Official website of the Syro-Malabar Church: http://www.syromalabarchurch.in › Parish › Rajkot Eparchy. And the official website of Rajkot eparchy is here. And I know several Carmelites of Mary Immaculate priests from Rajkot personally and all of them address this church as SH or Sacred Heart. Prem Mandir is hardly used among common people. All the articles in Malayalam dailies relating to Rajkot eparchy also mention it as Sacred Heart Syro-Malabar Cathedral. If you still feel that the moving of the page was a mistake, please feel free to undo it. Thanks and Cheers. Achayan (talk) 08:43, 23 April 2015 (UTC)