Talk:Pope John XXI

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This is my favourite pope. cheers graham allsop — Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.161.0.252 (talk)

Is it true it was his personal laboratory that collapsed on him? [1] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.42.25.60 (talk • contribs)

No, he was killed when the roof of his palace fell on him while sleeping. Parutakupiu ^{talk || contribs} 22:49, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

Original research? POV? The doubt cast on whether he was author of Thesaurus Pauperum badly needs citation (at least), as this wikipedia article appears to be the original source of this opinion. UC232 (talk) 05:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

Mention in Dante's Divine Comedy John XXI has the distinction of being the only identifiable pope in Dante's Paradise. It's probably worth mention, anyone expert in Dante wish to verify and write about it? By no means is it original research. UC232 (talk) 05:06, 8 August 2011 (UTC)

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Suggested merge of Peter of Spain into this wiki

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User:SebastianHelm has placed in the Peter of Spain wiki a template proposing that it be merged into the Pope John XXI wiki and calling for discussion here. However, it appears to be matter of ongoing doubt whether the author of the logic textbook Tractatus (Peter of Spain) is the same person as Pope John XXI. I doubt that we'd merge wikis on the Morning Star and the Evening Star if there remained much doubt that both of them are planet Venus. Even now those articles stand unmerged. The Tetrast (talk) 15:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC).

You're right. I removed the merge requests. What encouraged me to the request was the wording of the first sentence: "Pope John XXI [...] also called [...] Peter of Spain". This makes it sound as if there were no uncertainty about the identity. I now see that that the identity can break at another point in the chain: It could be certain that John XXI is one person with that demonym, and the author of Tractatus another. If that is the case, it should be clarified in some way to avoid the same misunderstanding. — Sebastian 16:53, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

That's a good point about the possibility of John XXI having the same demonym Pedro Hispano independently of the author of Tractatus, I hadn't thought of that. The John XXI wiki itself says (in the second paragraph in "Pre-papal life") that John XXI is also called Peter of Spain because of his being identified as author of the Tractatus. On the other hand there's no inline reference to support that claim. My guess is that all in all it's safe to change the lede's wording from "often called Pedro Hispano" to "often identified with Pedro Hispano (Peter of Spain)" or some such wording. But as I've just learned the word "demonym" I'm not about to urge my expertise. The Tetrast (talk) 17:43, 5 January 2012 (UTC).

I like that wording. Don't worry about the term "demonym"; I took some license using it; it just seemed to fit better for the purpose of this discussion than "nickname" or "alias". There probably is a better term for such names that I'm not aware of. — Sebastian 18:37, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Done! It seemed to involve less re-writing (once I looked at the further part of the sentence) if I simply wikilinked "Pedro Hispano" but I found that that was a redirect (dated 2004) back here to Pope John XXI. So I edited the redirect page to lead to Peter of Spain. If you can think of a happier phrasing of the lead sentence, please go ahead. The Tetrast (talk) 23:30, 5 January 2012 (UTC). Edited The Tetrast (talk) 23:33, 5 January 2012 (UTC).

Perfect! I found a few minor other things in the lead, of which maybe my removal of the Portuguese name may not be to everyone's liking. If so, please feel free to revert that part, after taking a look at my edit summary. But as far as this points of this section are concerned, we can close it. — Sebastian 01:49, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

Your edits all look fine to me. The Tetrast (talk) 21:30, 8 January 2012 (UTC).