Talk:College football national championships in NCAA Division I FBS

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2024

Change 'Georgia' hyperlink in 'Claims by school' table from "https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Gerogia_Bulldogs_football" to "https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Georgia_Bulldogs_football".

Apologies if this is formatted improperly - first time using Wikipedia as an editor. Energuette (talk) 15:37, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

 Done Jcoolbro (talk) (c) 16:59, 13 September 2024 (UTC)

Ohio State 1998 Sagarin National Champions

In January 2015, I noted that Ohio State is listed as National Champion on Sagarin’s website, even though the NCAA record book listed Tennessee in error. Shortly after, this championship was added to the listing in 1998 and to Ohio State’s total championships with a footnote referring to the above NCAA record book error. I believe that it was added by the moderator (Dolenath?) at that time. When I was looking at this article a couple of days ago, I see the 1998 Ohio State championship is no longer listed. I’m not sure when it disappeared, but it seems that the 1998 championship with the appropriate footnote should be added back to the article by the current moderator, since Sagarin’s own 1998 College Football website confirms Ohio State as the national champions that year. Let me know if you agree. Thanks! GABinOHIO2 (talk) 01:53, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

See up there at the top of the page under "Tasks awaiting attention":

"Sagarin Ratings selections changed in various editions of the NCAA book. Find the differences and add to article." Jeff in CA (talk) 07:30, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Please see the work recently done at Billingsley Report to track the various changes to that formula over the years and record books.

The same should be done at Sagarin Ratings.

I removed the 1998 Ohio State selection in May 2024 with the following edit summaries:

1. (diff) Add citations showing January 1999 selection of Tennessee by Sagarin Ratings, which is also the selection printed in the NCAA records book.

2. (diff) Remove 1998 Ohio State via Sagarin Ratings from major selections table. Remove correction note that added them. Not in NCAA book, citations from previous edit show contemporary January 1999 selection of Tennessee. There is perhaps a later "ELO-CHESS" Sagarin algorithm that chose them, in which case they could possibly be re-added and marked as retroactive.

The archived January 4, 1999 selection of Tennessee published by USA Today seems pretty conclusive to me for the contemporary BCS Sagarin selection. Later (when?) ELO-CHESS evaluation is interesting but does not seem to be covered by any reliable sources.

PK-WIKI (talk) 08:12, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the clarification and attachment for the 1998 USA Today listing, but the USA Today site that I am pulling up under https://Sagarin.USAToday.com for College Football Team Ratings 1998 - Jeff Sagarin Ratings also says FINAL at January 4, 1999 with Ohio State number one with 99.20 points with an 11-1 win-loss record and Tennessee second with 98.49 points with a 13-0 win-loss record. It seems to me that if this is Jeff Sagarin’s own website (which I acknowledge that it might not be), then it would seem to be a reliable source. Any additional follow-up to confirm which source is accurate is appreciated. Like the Billingsley change referenced, which makes sense, I just want the article to be accurate and corrected through footnotes if warranted. Thanks again. GABinOHIO2 (talk) 12:21, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I would like to see the Sagarin Ratings article completed to the same degree as the Billingsley Report table before we start pulling in differences or adding footnotes. Listing the champions listed in the NCAA records book and the various iterations of his website picks. Identifying when and why any algorithm changes occurred.

Talk:Jeff_Sagarin#Changes in NCAA records book contains an in-progress table. Help appreciated in completing and fully sourcing it. PK-WIKI (talk) 17:40, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

I find the changes between the 1995 and 1996 Sagarin ratings mysterious, specifically the 1956 and 1957 changed champions. Should 1956 Tennessee in the 1995 column also be shaded? Jeff in CA (talk) 20:50, 20 September 2024 (UTC)

Consistency with article format

Suggestion: the format of the BCS and Playoff eras should be in the same format as the Historic Occurrences, Bowl Coalition, and Bowl Alliance formats follow, so that the page maintains a consistent look and feel, rather than just a summary of titles won in the BCS and Playoff eras. The summaries could still exist as well, but why post the specific results for some formats but not all? Also, perhaps the summaries of titles won under each era could perhaps be condensed into one box that consolidates all of this information. A column each of titles won in the Bowl Coalition/Alliance, a column for BCS, and a column for Playoff era. Perhaps a first column for titles won pre-1992, although maybe not because it's much messier when attempting consistency. Again, all of these are just suggestions in good faith to improve the article - thanks! Gillicando (talk) 17:37, 8 October 2024 (UTC)

I think listing the BCS and CFP annual title games in the same format as the Bowl Coalition / Bowl Alliance ones is potentially a good idea; the problem being of course that the CFP table will be an ever-growing list that perhaps has a better dedicated home in another article such as College Football Playoff National Championship#Game results or List of College Football Playoff national champions. Please feel free to make WP:BOLD changes or test them out here on the talk page. PK-WIKI (talk) 21:51, 10 October 2024 (UTC)