Talk:Lucifer (British band)

Some suggestions for improving this article

This is directed generally at everyone reading this, and specifically at its creator, Luciferfan. I'm interested in this subject, and think that an article about Lucifer is needed on wikipedia. However, I would like to make a few suggestions that may help.

• Sections- if this is an article about a rock project, consider breaking the information into sections as specified here: Wikipedia:WPMAG Obviously I can understand some of these sections will be difficult to fill as so little info exists, especially the musical history, but maybe something about advertising in OZ, meeting with Howard Marks, etc would be good here.

• Look at other wikipedia pages about solo musical projects recorded under an anonymous alias to give you an idea of how they are structured. Jandek and The Residents are the ones that spring to mind. Obviously these artists will differ from Lucifer in lots of ways, but there will be some similarities. Also bear in mind the pages I've referenced are not perfect examples of wikipedia pages themselves and have a lot of things that need correcting.

• Provide footnotes. References have been provided, but the article needs these put into footnotes. You can use the Cite tool at the top of the edit screen to produce these. Select cite then click on the box that says Templates, and select the appropriate reference material. See also Wikipedia:Citation_tools

• Obviously it looks like Howard Marks' autobiography is an important source here. You can use direct quotes from Marks in the article (in fact this is preferred), as long as they have footnotes and are not too long.

• Include some reviews of the music. These can come from published magazines, journals, newspapers or reliable websites (blogs are not allowed, but can be added as External links) Provide some quotes of what people have said about the music. Even if they didn't know who made it, a response to the music is all that is needed here. I think you may be able to use this one: http://www.headheritage.co.uk/unsung/review/1623/ This review references another review written by Martin Popoff, in his book The Collector’s Guide To Heavy Metal Volume 1: The Seventies’http://www.amazon.com/Collectors-Guide-Heavy-Metal-Seventies/dp/1894959027/ref=pd_sim_b2. This can most definately be used as a reference. Again, it doesn't matter here that they wrongly attribute the music to Walker, they are still reviewing what the music sounds like.

• Put the releases into a discography. Layout the records in a separate section marked 'discography' at the bottom of the page. You can look at other band pages to see how this is done, e.g. Led_Zepelin#Discography

• include a legacy/influence section. Maybe a list of bands that have claimed Lucifer as an influence, what his impact on rock has been, styles that were influenced would be good.

• Consider creating a separate page for Denys Irving. It would appear Lucifer was not Irving's only occupation, he did a lot of other things over the course of his life and therefore I would suggest creating a straight biographical page for him, mentioning his personal life, education, video artwork, hanggliding and drug activities. I think this might be beneficial.

• Always remember to write according to the rules of wikipedia take some time to read the Core content policies, especially No original research and Verifiability.

OK, hope this helps, and if you want a hand with anything just ask! Kaleeyed (talk) 18:37, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, agree with all of this. Very well put. Andrewa (talk) 19:33, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Disambiguation

I'm not completely happy with the current disambiguation between Lucifer (band) and Lucifer (rock band).

Both were bands, and both were rock bands. Is there a more logical way to disambiguate? Andrewa (talk) 19:49, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

Could it be done like for Oasis the band? Rename this one Lucifer (1970s band) or somesuch thing? Having said according to allmusic there have been loads of bands with the name Lucifer, including 2 other obscure groups from the 70s! I hope they don't all show up on wikip or we'll be in a right pickle! But it might do for now until we have to deal with that. Hmm, on second thoughts, what about Lucifer_(British_1970s_group)? Kaleeyed (talk) 23:06, 10 October 2011 (UTC)

That's the way my thoughts were going too. See also WP:PRECISION.

Agree that Oasis (disambiguation) gives some good hints, particularly Oasis (1980s group) and Oasis (1970s group). That's probably the way to go. Andrewa (talk) 00:33, 11 October 2011 (UTC)

I am unclear about how to go about changing the name of a page. Would we have to change the page for the Japanese band as well? And what would happen to any wikilinks, would they all have to be changed too? Kaleeyed (talk) 18:25, 13 October 2011 (UTC)