Talk:List of ships named USS Arizona

Redirect?

Anyone else think this article should redirect to USS Arizona (BB-39) the one sank during Pearl Harbor? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Sasha Callahan (talk • contribs) 02:18, 26 September 2007 (UTC)

No, because this is a disambiguation page to direct people to all the ships named Arizona in the US Navy.-MBK004 21:43, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Rewrite

Rewrote the opening paragraph which previously said that all three were named for the State of Arizona then proceeded to explain that Arizona was not a state when the first two were commissioned.Irish Melkite (talk) 22:55, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

CVN-79

Has the Navy said anything about CVN-79 being named Arizona? La Maupin (talk) 18:24, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

Disambiguation

Resurrecting an old idea, but what does anyone think about moving this to USS Arizona (disambiguation) and moving USS Arizona (BB-39) to this title, given the latter's significance? Shereth 18:08, 3 September 2009 (UTC)

Requested move 13 April 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. per consensus, the list to be treated as a set index and be moved accordingly. there is also consensus that BB-39 ship is the primary topic. – robertsky (talk) 11:04, 20 April 2024 (UTC)

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• USS Arizona → USS Arizona (disambiguation)
• USS Arizona (BB-39) → USS Arizona

– I believe that the USS Arizona sunk at Pearl Harbor is the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC under both criteria. As for usage, over the past 180 days, it's received over 89% of views: 265,274 vs. 20,481 for the modern ship, 8,432 for the DAB page, 1,469 for the Civil War ship, and 778 for the Neshaminy. Under long-term significance, the articles that could be titled USS Arizona consist of only US ships and there's no reason to expect that will change any time soon, and this Arizona is one of the most historically significant US ships of any name. Egsan Bacon (talk) 01:43, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
Here's the pageview data. Egsan Bacon (talk) 01:44, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose. This move should be considered in long term. The USS Arizona (SSN-803) may be the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC in the future. Cfls (talk) 02:30, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support: barring a disaster or a world war, the battleship is almost certain to remain the "primary meaning among a general audience" in the long term. It certainly is now. If things change in 5 or 20 years, we can come back and reevaluate. See also WP:SHIPDAB. Ed ^{[talk] [OMT]} 03:02, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support — The USS Arizona (WW2 Battleship) is a very clear example of a primary topic for the term “USS Arizona”. For some Wikipedia article statistics:

1. USS Arizona (1858) — 2,900 page views in the last year
2. USS Arizona (BB-39) — 512,000 page views in the last year
3. USS Arizona (SSN-803) — 33,000 pages views in the last year

So, with those statistics, plus the USS Arizona Memorial named Wikipedia article, I must support a renaming under the ideology of primary topic. The Weather Event Writer (Talk Page) 03:13, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Support per nom and WeatherWriter. I'm not what about what may happen in the future. ~~ Jessintime (talk) 03:25, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support - Per ed17. Schierbecker (talk) 03:40, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Oppose. This would make this disambiguation page different from the numerous others we already have, some 200. Are they all to be renamed.

There will be many more Arizonas in the future. The naming of most these articles is already contentious, because they're based on hull numbers, and not launch dates as originally agreed on the project.

If the system is not broken why are we going to fix it. -Broichmore (talk) 07:19, 13 April 2024 (UTC)

• Partial support - the WWII battleship is clearly the primary topic as others have indicated above, but: this page should be moved to List of ships named USS Arizona, since it is a WP:SETINDEX, not a true dab page. As to Briochmore's point above, this is not new, nor will it have wide-ranging implications. We already have HMS Victory and List of ships named HMS Victory; HMS Hood and List of ships called HMS Hood; USS Monitor and List of ships named USS Monitor. These arrangements have existed for a very long time (for example, USS Monitor has had the primary place since it was created in 2001). Parsecboy (talk) 09:46, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support per Ed and the nomination. Gog the Mild (talk) 10:32, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support As far as 'the long term' goes, BB-39 has probably been the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC since 7 December 1941. It doesn't get much more longterm than that... ——Serial Number 54129 11:36, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Support, yes, BB-39 serves as primary topic both per page views and per historical long-term significance. Randy Kryn (talk) 13:12, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Partial support as per Parsecboy. The "dab" page should be named List of ships named USS Arizona as with other setindex pages Lyndaship (talk) 13:24, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Partial support per Parsecboy and Lyndaship. Llammakey (talk) 18:20, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
• Partial support as per Parsecboy and the others.--Sturmvogel 66 (talk) 14:06, 16 April 2024 (UTC)
• Partial support As above, set index is the correct way to go. Pickersgill-Cunliffe (talk) 18:09, 16 April 2024 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.