Talk:List of communities in Manitoba by population

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This article needs a complete overhaul

Not only are most of the communities on the list not cities, but a lot of the populations listed are wrong as well. The list at List of cities in Canada#Manitoba is far better. Could anyone with more time attempt to fix this, or should we just turn this page into a redirect? Guff Brooking (talk) 22:06, 23 October 2009 (UTC)

Requested move

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The result of the move request was: page moved. Vegaswikian (talk) 23:26, 14 June 2011 (UTC)

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List of cities in Manitoba by population → List of communities in Manitoba by population – Relisted to gain consensus on new name. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC) 13 11 of 20 are not cities.  User:Mzajac 21:46, 31 May 2011 (UTC)

• Comment. Wouldn't "municipalities" be the correct term, to exclude unincorporated communities? What about rural municipalities, do they all have a lower population? 117Avenue (talk) 23:16, 1 June 2011 (UTC)

I agree. "Communities" is quite an ambiguous term. "Settlements", "urban areas" or "municipalities" would be better, depending on what is being listed. Rennell435 (talk) 07:41, 2 June 2011 (UTC)

So, should we relist to attempt consensus on an alternative name? Which one? Andrewa (talk) 07:39, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry, I take that back. The government website clearly calls them "communities" so I guess we should too. It would also be consistent with List of communities in Manitoba... Rennell435 (talk) 10:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

• Support. Rennell435 (talk) 10:30, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

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How to define and or include population centres

Link from stats Canada on redefining I am interested in the debate. I guess it includes any part of a population where the density is 400/km2. Krazytea(talk) 21:51, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Organized by Stats Can here. Krazytea(talk) 21:52, 9 February 2012 (UTC)

Article is a mess and redundant (should be converted to dab page)

Rather than reviving the unanswered thread from 2009 above, I'm going to start fresh. Please pardon the length. This article is a mess and has multiple issues as described below.

Scope of article

It is named "List of communities in Manitoba by population", yet excludes rural communities (i.e., List of rural municipalities in Manitoba) because the list's intent is to present "urban communities". If that were the case, why isn't it named "List of urban communities in Manitoba by population"? But wait, if the intent is to just present urban communities, then why are Indian reserves listed? They are not urban. The vast majority are rural with dispersed settlement patterns that don't meet conventional urban densities.

Meshing of different concepts of community types

In the list, the articles meshes community types from two different sources – the Province of Manitoba and Statistics Canada. While the province and StatCan are consistent with each other with respect to urban municipalities – cities, towns and villages (as they existed in 2011; see Manitoba municipal amalgamations, 2015) – they use different community status types for other urban communities. In contrast, population centres are not types of communities in the eyes of the province. They are statistical geographies defined by StatCan in accordance with certain criteria.

For other urban communities, provincial legislation recognizes the existence of at least 68 local urban districts (LUDs) including Blumenort, Grunthal, Lorette, Mitchell and Oakbank. LUDs are therefore an official community type in Manitoba, and the five just mentioned should be listed as LUDs, not population centres, in this article. Provincial legislation also recognizes 35 unincorporated communities and 7 settlements. "Unincorporated communities" and "settlements", like LUDs, are also therefore official community types in Manitoba. Within this legislation, Moose Lake and Norway House are recognized as unincorporated communities.

To exacerbate the population centre issue, we have population counts for population centres being presented in two different columns – 10 in the "Population in 2011" column and 26 in the "Population centres in 2011" column.

Meanwhile, five communities have metro populations presented. First of all, only Winnipeg is recognized as a census metropolitan area (CMA), while the four others are census agglomerations (CAs). Secondly, CMAs and CAs are not communities. They are statistical geographies defined by Statistics Canada based on commuting flow, and often are groupings of two other more adjacent census subdivisions.

So, this article is essentially merging two different concepts – urban communities as recognized by the Province of Manitoba and statistical geographies defined by Statistics Canada – for the simple convenience that Statistics Canada publishes population counts for both.

Erroneous assertions in lead

There are not two adjacent communities named Mitchell. Mitchell is one community with a population of at least 1,656 (1,136 + 520). Statistics Canada in its wisdom decided to carve it into two pieces for statistical purposes – a population centre (the denser core of the community) and a designated place (the outskirts). There is only one Mitchell mentioned at the RM of Hanover website. See the map of this community. The fact that StatCan has carved the community into two pieces has been significantly misinterpreted here. This erroneous assertion is repeated for Blumenort, Grunthal and Lorette, and the StatCan carve job is not unique to Manitoba. See La Crete and Langdon.

Redundancy

As for redundancy, see List of municipalities in Manitoba, List of population centres in Manitoba, List of designated places in Manitoba, and List of census agglomerations in Manitoba. Each article includes population counts by these respective community types or statistical areas. The tables are sortable, which enables ranking of the items listed within each.

Proposal

Given all of these issues, I therefore propose that this article be converted to a dab page pointing to at least the four lists mentioned above. Hwy43 (talk) 07:51, 23 April 2016 (UTC)

• Support - This conversion sounds completely reasonable to me, I didn't even know this page existed. Mattximus (talk) 02:03, 24 April 2016 (UTC)
• Note - List of local urban districts in Manitoba has since been created. Hwy43 (talk) 07:51, 25 April 2016 (UTC)

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