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Latest comment: 27 days ago1 comment1 person in discussion
I have tagged this article as needing clean-up because the lead section has extra information about these court proceedings that are still in progress, including the fact that a trial date is still to be set, the form of sentence that prosecutors are seeking, and media coverage. Information in the lead should be in the body of the article too. See WP:LEADFOLLOWSBODY and see MOS:LEAD for purpose of the lead. It is meant to provide an accessible overview that is a summary the whole article. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Latest comment: 27 days ago4 comments2 people in discussion
@TheFlawlessKing: This article reports on ongoing court proceedings. Wikipedia is is not a news website so articles about living people who are not public figures who are on trial are generally not reported until a trial is over. Because a living person accused of a crime is presumed innocent until convicted by a court of law, the guideline WP:BLPCRIME advises that: editors must seriously consider not including material—in any article—that suggests the person has committed or is accused of having committed a crime, unless a conviction has been secured for that crime. I don't see any discussion or reference to this issue on the talk page, and want to know what consideration you have given to this guideline and why Wikipedia should have an article about this topic while court proceedings are still in progress, without a trial date even being set yet. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 12:30, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Hello! I am sorry for the inconveniences. I have modified the main text and the part about the suspects. The truth is that this event has had consistent media coverage. In addition, there have already been articles with cases of murder with a suspect in custody but still without a conviction or without a judicial process (example Killing of Aniah Blanchard). However, I understand your concerns and regarding the BLP crime, that was not my intention at all. I tried to do my best so that it would not sound like I was already taking the suspects as guilty. TheFlawlessKing (talk) 12:45, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
@TheFlawlessKing: I haven't previously seen the article about the killing of Aniah Blanchard, but that article, too, has a similar problem with the guideline WP:BLPCRIME. What I am seeking here is what consideration you gave to this article about why naming the suspects before their trial was a good idea. This argument isn't about whether the suspects are innocent or guilty, it is about their right to a fair trial. Wikipedia doesn't have any lawyers to fact-check its articles, so there is a risk of writing something inappropriate. The safest approach is not to say anything. I am wondering what your reasons are for naming the accused in this case. - Cameron Dewe (talk) 19:10, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I see you have a good point. I will do that. I have actually seen articles that name the suspects but there are others that do not name them. Yes, it was my mistake to mention them and I will amend it. My apologies and thanks for pointing this out, I will take that into account for my future editions. Greetings. TheFlawlessKing (talk) 19:20, 2 September 2024 (UTC)Reply
