Talk:K12

Requested move

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was both moves done. --regentspark (comment) 19:03, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

• K12 (disambiguation) → K12
• K12 → K12 (mountain)

– No WP:PRIMARYTOPIC exists, so WP:DABPAGE should be primary topic to save on user clicks. Traffic for the mountain article is actually quite a bit lower than for some of the other articles; for example, according to http://stats.grok.se/, K–12 (education) averages about 750-1200 hits a day, and the mountain about 50 (probably some of which are looking for other topics). Esprqii (talk) 23:31, 5 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose. For January 2013 I see 169 hits total for K-12 (education) and 1724 hits for K12. I'm also not convinced that very many people searching for K-12 are going to search with "K12". --Born2cycle (talk) 00:57, 6 February 2013 (UTC) strike out !vote and change to support in comment below. --Born2cycle (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)}}

• Comment: K-12 (education) is a redirect to K–12 (education) (the main article uses an en-dash, not a hyphen). K–12 (education) had 31,476 hits (to 1,724 for the mountain) in January. --Esprqii (talk) 16:55, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
  • Indeed. Yet another reason to stick with dashes. I digress. I'm not 100% convinced, but now there is sufficient evidence that the mountain is not primary, and insufficient evidence that it is, for me to change my !vote to Support. --Born2cycle (talk) 19:51, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

• Oppose per Born2cycle. I tried analyzing this issue myself, since it appeared that while I personally have never heard of anything on this list before, the education one might be well-known to the majority of people in some other English-speaking countries. It is possible that a lot of people accidentally find the mountain article when they are looking for the education one, but the 10-1 difference is too great. elvenscout742 (talk) 04:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support B2C's stats are skewed because "K12" is undisambiguated, so anyone typing it it will land at the mountain. A simple google search [1] shows that "K12" is not the mountain. If the mountain were actually primary, then more than a handful of the first 100 results would be about the mountain. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 07:09, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

As I said above, the figures are skewed because of the undisambiguated title, but over 90% of the people who went to the article on the mountain didn't click the disambig link or the education link. That can't be solely the result of skewed figures. If the figures was 50% or 60% your argument would work, but not 90%. elvenscout742 (talk) 07:53, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

I'd like to see a study showing how effective hatnotes actually are, versus how many frustrated readers just don't find their article and leave to do something else. If the mountain really were the primary topic, it would dominate the search results for the first 100 returns on various search engines, but it does not. It doesn't even dominate the search results for K12 mountain. -- 65.92.180.137 (talk) 09:20, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support. Google Web, Books, News, and Scholar searches do not support the mountain being primary (they appear to favor the company, bacteria, company, and bacteria, respectively), and neither to the traffic stats when you look at the other redirects to the education meaning:
  • K–12 (education) 31,476
    • K12 (company) 2536
  • K-12 (education redirect) 2119
    • K12 (mountain) 1724
  • K-12 education 791
  • K–12 education 371
  • K-12 (education) 169
  • K-12 schools 161
  • K–12 141
  • K - 12 92
  • K-12 School 72
  • K-12 school 72
  • K-12 grade 13
  • K–12 school 7

  The mountain falls short of the company and of the education meaning. -- JHunterJ (talk) 14:05, 6 February 2013 (UTC)

• Support: At the very least, we can safely say that the mountain is not the most prominent topic here, which means a disambiguation page is in order. —Neil 04:26, 11 February 2013 (UTC)
• Support per nom. No primary topic. --BDD (talk) 18:26, 22 February 2013 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Sort and expand

I personally consider eight items as quite a few without sections. Thanks for undoing my edit before I'd checked here. Now I've expanded, sectioned, and sorted by use above. Widefox; talk 19:06, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

JHunterJ yes that's better, so now we should use "most often"/"commonly" per MOS:DABORDER examples - and remove my comment. Minor points - can we agree to cut down the mountain description - there's no other mountain (avoids the territory dispute, concise), the lattice entry is also verbose - only one maths entry. No ship template - sure. Widefox; talk 20:54, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

", a mountain" is pointless in an entry for K12 (mountain). ", in mathematics" is pointless IMO for any entry. I'm fine with removing descriptions from both those entries if that's agreeable. I don't think "most often" or "commonly" is needed here. -- JHunterJ (talk) 02:16, 14 May 2013 (UTC)

agree about "mountain", the maths one would be ambiguous - feel free to remove - I take your point that it duplicates the section name, but "mathematics" is my preference (largely as I don't know if its geometry and/or set theory/other). Widefox; talk 09:59, 14 May 2013 (UTC)