Talk:Jan Grabowski

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Latest comment: 1 month ago by Jerzy124 in topic Polish courts

The WP-thing

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Generally I'm skeptical about including an article-subject's WP-whatevers in their article, WP:NAVELGAZING often applies. However, there are several in depth sources on this, and it may deserve a sentence or two. I was going to compare to Warsaw concentration camp, but I see WP is no longer mentioned in article-text there, it used to be. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:49, 13 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Given that the subject here is relevant to both WP:BLP and the Arbitration topics listed at the top of this talk page, it seems to me that anything on the WP-Grabowski issue would have to rely on high-quality WP:RS.
For anyone interested, the current arbitration is clearly a serious issue within Wikipedia, and is being prepared at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II and the history of Jews in Poland. In case anyone needs a warning: Wikipedia:Arbitration is not a WP:RS for a Wikipedia article.
To any journalists reading this, I would recommend that you be patient and wait a few months for this process to work itself through. I would say that the only fair summary that you could make at the moment is "Wikipedia is treating this issue seriously". Boud (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Yes, I agree about only the best quality sources. The "WP-thing" is not really a pure academic research, but rather a part of political activism by the subject and yet another controversy and should be probably treated as such. I agree with Gråbergs Gråa Sång that the "WP-thing" should be probably included to the page. My very best wishes (talk) 16:50, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Do you have a source for the assertion that this source "is not really a pure academic research, but rather a part of political activism by the subject" ? Horse Eye's Back (talk) 19:08, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
I will be interested in a source for "not really a pure academic research, but rather a part of political activism". This is a BLP. TrangaBellam (talk) 19:16, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply
Indeed, after looking at sources, it appears he is usually described as an academic, not an activist, although he is definitely involved in a huge political controversy. My very best wishes (talk) 21:52, 16 March 2023 (UTC)Reply

Wikipedia criticism

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Grabowski and a co-author have recently published a big rant criicizing Wikipedia's coverage of Holocaust history. Maybe someone can add it to the article:

Jan Grabowski & Shira Klein (2023) Wikipedia’s Intentional Distortion of the History of the Holocaust, The Journal of Holocaust Research, doi:10.1080/25785648.2023.2168939.

I came across these via a Hacker News post but other than that, I'm unfamiliar with the biography subject and I don't edit in the topic area. 2602:243:2007:9990:FC12:23ED:462:65F4 (talk) 16:09, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

Quite unnecessarily rude to call it a "big rant". 2A04:4A43:8B8F:F4D7:9E17:2843:2509:9193 (talk) 13:13, 17 October 2023 (UTC)Reply

Added: Oh my, I see the article above is a few months old and is already the topic of a bunch of discussion including in the ongoing arbitration case. Anyway, I will leave the link here and defer to the article maintainers about what to do with it. What a mess. 2602:243:2007:9990:FC12:23ED:462:65F4 (talk) 19:15, 19 April 2023 (UTC)Reply

IP, I'm trying to update the article about information about the Wikipedia holocaust controversy as of right now. Feel free to make edit requests if you want to - I will look over them and accept if necessary. -- Shadow of the Starlit Sock 02:36, 24 May 2023 (UTC)Reply
Name one example of the distortion and one distorter. Why is Icewhiz not mentioned here? Jerzy124 (talk) 11:06, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

The Polish Police

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The blue police was a branch of German police. At that time local police existed in many countries, so the name may suggest that the blue police was commanded by some Polish government. The government-in-exile worked in UK and had no control over the police. Jerzy124 (talk) 11:17, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply

Polish courts

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The term should be explained. Polish court system was Sovietised after the war. Collaboration with the Nazis was punished on the basis of August Decree. Tortures were applied at that time. According to the IPN Grabowski misquotes the court documents. Jerzy124 (talk) 11:25, 16 October 2024 (UTC)Reply