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Format

I have made the images smaller to improve the format of the article and to help with easy readability. This also removes gaps in the text. The article looks neater. Someone complained that the pictures were meant to be seen. You can still see the images, if you want to see more click the image. Also someones blind revert also deleted some of the other contribs that I added to the article in the sports section. With the previous format, I believe the images took up a lot of room and in some cases overlaped the article as well. I also think the person who reverted my format may have uploaded some of the images so there might be some personal bias involved on his behalf. --Ad@m.J.W.C. 00:31, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

There is no edit war just trying to improve format, I think images at this size fit in quite well--Ad@m.J.W.C. 07:33, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Another thing, the images are no smaller than what you would see in a gallery. Why dont we transfer them to a gallery at the bottom of the article.--Ad@m.J.W.C. 12:48, 26 August 2007 (UTC)

Please find me a featured article (which represents what all articles are supposed to be like) that has such small images...these images are TOO small!... they are meant to be seen easily. Nikkul 00:11, 27 August 2007 (UTC)

India map showing Kashmir and Arunachal pradesh in shaded color....In China wiki site, there are not following same...not sure why

HOW TO CONTROL THE TRAFFIC IN HYDERABAD

PLEASE POST U R IDEAS —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.174.147.112 (talk) 04:48, 7 October 2007 (UTC)

Irrelevant topic of discussion for this article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

WikiProject Dravidian civilizations

Wiki Raja 11:22, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

'Bhagya Nagaram'

'Hyderabad is also known as Bhagya Nagaram' by whom? I'm placing a cite tag to this statement... --hydkat 11:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC)

By Whom? It is known as Bhagya Nagaram among the sons-of-soil of Andhra Pradesh i.e. Telugus. Practically every telugu/andhri who had schooling in Andhra Pradesh knows it. I have nonetheless provided a citation. Satvahan (talk) 23:50, 14 March 2008 (UTC)

Are you saying that Bhagya Nagaram is the Telegu name for the city, also about this edit, I believed that the analogy with Istanbul that was stated in your edit was incorrect, both Byzantium and Constantinople are very well known. The name change to Istanbul occurred only in 1930. However Bhagya Nagaram seems a little more complex, the etymology section states a "popular theory suggests that after founding the city, Quli Qutb Shah fell in love with and married a local Banjara girl known as Bhagyamathi and named this city after her, Bhagya Nagaram. ... Upon her conversion to Islam, Bhagyamathi changed her name to Hyder Mahal and the new city's name was correspondingly changed [to] Hyderabad." Was this actually its former name or folk etymology? Pahari Sahib 22:23, 5 June 2008 (UTC)

First of all Satvahan, Bhagyanagaram and Hyderabad were both names taken from the same person. This fact is mentioned in the etymology section. Besides it was called Bhagyanagaram only for a few years before Bhagmati converted and changed her name. This is also mentioned in the article. As far as your sons-of-soil theory is concerned, I have never come across any of my friends from AP referring to it as Bhagyanagaram--Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 04:26, 6 June 2008 (UTC)

Bhagyanagaram was indeed the name of the city. Some buildings in the Osmania University still retain the old nameplates with Bhagyanagaram on them. Maybe I'll get a photograph. Is that valid proof for editing Wikipedia articles? Naveen Kumar Molleti (talk) 11:26, 21 June 2008 (UTC)Nav11aug

We are not denying that Bhagyanagaram was indeed once the name of the city. The question is : how long? I do not have any source which give the exact years(please see if you can find some?)but one thing is clear: that Bhagyanagarm and Hyderabad were names taken from the same person. When she married the prince he changed the name of the city to Bhagyanagar. When she converted , he changed it to Hyderabad. The span could hardly be a maximum of 5-10 years? This is unlike Mumbai where the name Bombay was used for more than 2 centuries. Your suggestion that some nameplates in Osmania university have this name is certainly interesting. But then, how old is OU? Not more than 150 years, I guess? So the names could not have existed from Bhagmathi's days. They are probably named after the old name as a cultural expression,or merely to make it sound more exotic. I have seen a small lumber shop named Bhagyanagar... in Hyd. For instance Karnavati Express goes to Ahmedabad which was previously know as Karnavati. That doesnt mean that the train has been running since pre -Islamic rule, right? --Deepak D'Souza (talk • contribs) 11:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)

I would like to state that I am after the truth not to create controversy or animosity as am sure all people should be. I have given references and questioned the doubts and given the explanation. Since you yourself have given a reference which states it is one popular theory. Therefore I acknowledged it earlier and now let both versions stand till a solid, indisputable and conclusive proof is given. I don't understand the logic of deleting the literal translation which is a FACT with references to look and check for oneself. I don’t think/can't understand the logic why Bhagmati would be given a male name or title by Muhammed Quli Qutub Shah who was or even decide to give herself a male name or title with a male attribute? It may be the answer or vital part of the puzzle. Also since there is another reference to the naming of the city and its reason (The ruler's family were Shia Muslims of Arab origins where the Caliph Ali is revered and modelled the city planning on Iranian city of Isfahan also a FACT) with the alias Baghnagar referring to the city of gardens as per planning comparable to most Islamic architecture and planning during that period (e.g. Cordoba and Mughal) which also a FACT. I am not denying that Muhammed Quli fell in love and married Bhagmati as maybe the case also. It may also be that the city was previously known as Bhagyanagar or Bhagyanagaram. So therefore I have let the other version stand and also if you look at my paragraph acknowledged the theory(also acknowledging other popular theories though questioned as unlikely) unlike where you have just deleted my theory ignoring and dismissing it completely which is by no means original or new and definitely merits attention.Realway (talk) 13:51, 19 August 2009 (UTC)

Thank you for finally discussing the matter. We are not here to "create" the truth or to do our own resaerch. Once you read through th WIkipedia policies you will understand why the literal translation is not valid. Who decided that this literal translation was the real name of Hyderabad. SOme scholar?, no you did. Anybody can come up with litteral translations like say for instance "Bombay" means the "city of Bombs" :-). Can you prove that eminent scholars agree on this literal transaltion. If yes then it becomes a Reliable source and we will definetely add it. --Deepak D'Souza

Peacock Terms Tag

Please provide the exact words that may be considered as peacock terms and whether their removal is required. This will help in the removal of the peacock terms tag.Abhishekmathur (talk) 21:58, 10 May 2008 (UTC)

Maybe City of Nizams and City of Pearls can be regarded as peacock terms, as there is no explanation as to why these terms can be applied to Hyderabad? Satvahan (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 23:09, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

No, those two terms are unique to Hyderabad. The city of Nizams is obvious since the Nizams were the former rulers and were the richest persons in the world giving a sense of royalty. The city of pearls is also fairly true since it has a old, large and reputable pearl market. I am more concerned of superlatives being used extensively in the article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:42, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

Article too long

The Article covers several sections too extensively despite the sections having their own separate articles. For example the Information technology section has too many company names in it as well as rumors! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Abhishekmathur (talk • contribs) 01:13, 11 May 2008 (UTC)

Followup: It would be better to summarize the sections which have separate article in a few lines.Abhishekmathur (talk) 06:47, 15 November 2008 (UTC)

population stats

Hi editors, please come up with official population figures for hyderabad as well as greater hyderabad. The figures currently on the article looks a bit over exaggerated, especially the population of greater hyderabad which claims to have 9.6 million. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cephas 405 (talk • contribs) 15:42, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree. Someone the Person (talk) 22:01, 8 February 2009 (UTC)

I updated the population figures for both Hyderabad and Greater Hyderabad which I'm assuming is the greater metropolitan area (quite a while ago actually). I'll be keeping an eye on this for anybody that just changes the figures blindly or without adding an alternative reference. I have an inclination that someone changed it to 9.6 million and all previous population figures are not official population figures. 5.4 mil for a population for 2001? Highly unlikely from World Gazetteer which uses data from Census of India and this. Urban India: Hyderabad Population. Elockid (talk) 15:45, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Name

Shouldnt the title be Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh ? I am invariant under co-ordinate transformations (talk) 21:44, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

no the title of the page should be hyderabad india because it is more informative to global readers. Nikkul (talk) 22:45, 30 November 2008 (UTC)

Muslim Population

According to 2001 census there are 6.7 million muslims in AP and hyderabad has around 5.7 million people.so if there are 40% Muslims then it should be around 2.3million in Hyderabad city alone ,what about muslim population in nizambad,karimnagar,mahabubnagar etc., .this looks like highly exaggerated.

--Neal007 (talk) 04:32, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Merge Proposal

It has been suggested that Tourist attractions in Hyderabad be merged with the section Tourist Attractions in the article as half of the Tourist attractions in Hyderabad exists in this section. Some of the material in Tourist article has to be cleaned up and the rest must be merged to this section. Please write your opinions below. --Srinivas 04:46, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Support Although the list of tourist sites is long, it does not call for a seperate article. --Deepak D'Souza 12:10, 29 June 2009 (UTC)
• Oppose The section here will be cleaned up fully. If tourism is popular/crucial, it gets a section. No listing otherwise. Look at other featured metros, they dont have such lists of tourist spots. similar list has been split out of Bengaluru, Mysore, Delhi, Kochi, Trivandrum. just look at Tourist attractions in Bangalore. Tourist attractions in Hyderabad would also be like this. Hometech (talk) 12:51, 13 July 2009 (UTC)

I agree. The list of tourist attractions is too long to be included in the main article. The present article is around 59 KB long which definitely calls for an article split from the sections. The tourism article can also include general stats on tourism in hyderabad city and the steps taken to promote these sites. All this information in detail would be superfluous to the main hyderabad city article.Abhishekmathur (talk) 05:46, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

I also agree . The attractions is *a* different article . There should be a small description of tourist places. And if we are writing all of them in the main article we will be forced to decrease the content of that section . And writing tourist attractions in the main article in my opinion is beyond the scope of hyderabad article . It should be restricted to 7 - 15 lines and then a link should be given to the attractions article. Pavithrans (talk) 23:26, 23 August 2009 (UTC)

Hyderabad population table under Demographics section

I'm proposing for the deletion of the table of historical populations under the Demographics section. The link to source doesn't even work so it could have been changed to original research over the months or whatever time frame. Furthermore, the validity of the table is questionable. Here's the reason. The 2001 census for Hyderabad recorded 3.68 million and not the 5.404 million figure.

Sources:

• Asiarooms
• World Gazetteer

Although not directly from Census of India's website (2001 census data doesn't seem to appear on their site). The sources listed above give about the same figure for the 2001 census. World Gazetteer provides data from the 1991 census and onwards but doesn't provide any data from any further dates before 1991. The data from World Gazetteer which seems to be using data from Census of India and it definitely does not match the table either. It is very unlikely that Hyderabad had a decrease in population as most sources point to an increase in population for the city. If deleting the table isn't the answer, then how bout changing it to a source that works like the World Gazetteer? Elockid (talk) 14:02, 29 June 2009 (UTC)

The 5.404 million figure for the city of hyderabad in 2001 would not be valid as per the current jurisdictions. The Greater Hyderabad Municipal Corporation was formed in 2007 by merging the surrounding areas with the city jurisdiction. Now as per the 2001 census, the GHMC lists the population as above 60 lakhs(6 milllion)[1]. This is the local city government of Hyderabad and thus a credible source. Thus the 3.68 million figure is obsolete. The new table could include a column if the population was for the former just Hyderabad City or for the current Greater Hyderabad. This would eliminate the need for checking up on the population of the surrounding villages in census surveys prior to 2001.Abhishekmathur (talk) 05:59, 2 August 2009 (UTC)

Chowmahalla Palace

Picture shown for Chowmahalla Palace in History section is not Chowmahalla Palace. It is Mysore Palace picture. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.249.47.164 (talk) 18:59, 6 August 2009 (UTC)

Neutrality

I tagged this article as non-neutral, and I was asked to explain why.

I am concerned that some of the language in the article is not encyclopaedic and tends towards a certain point-of-view which is not supported by a broad range of reliable sources. Some of these facts are unsourced, and others are from a single source that may, in itself, be non-neutral.

For example: if one newspaper article says that it is "The most wonderful city in the world", that does not mean that we should publish that as a 'fact'; I expect we could find another reliable source that says that it is NOT a great city. We need to keep balance.

The use of weasel words and peacock terms adds to the problem

Specific examples include this (noted here with tags);

• Like many Indian cities, Hyderabad has witnessed a remarkable growth in the real estate business, thanks to a predominantly information-technology-driven boom in the 1990s and the retail industry growth over the last few years which have spurred hectic commercial activity.

Other non-neutral, peacock/weasel/unencyclopaedic opinions include;

• "the leading destination for IT"
• "a vast array of companies"
• "numerous Fortune 500 Corporations, with the majority related to IT"
• "Indian IT giants such as HCL"
• "Buses plying in and around the city provide major commutation for city dwellers"
• "an unprecedented increase in the number of passengers" (air)
• "high passenger and cargo transits"
• "important destinations"
• "a cosmopolitan society [...] while maintaining ancient culture and traditions"
• "an important seat of learning"

...these are examples, which I hope help to illustrate the problems. Cheers,  Chzz  ►  14:38, 1 September 2009 (UTC)

Language specified above has been corrected and/or provided with reliable sources. Please tag only the sections where non neutral language is still present. Tagging the entire article leaves the impression that the basic facts of the city/most of the sections are non neutral. The culture and cuisine section can only be provided with sources that are reliable yet are non neutral. Many sentences in this section including the part of a cosmopolitan society with ancient culture have been explained in the following sentences about the traditional dresses with the modern infrastructure which have citations. I propose the removal of the non neutral tag for the entire article and placing it only for the most appropriate sections.A 22:42, 24 October 2009 (UTC)

Famous Hyderabadis

I assume Hyderabadi is a person who was either born or grew up or had his education in Hydrabad before he became famous. It should not include people who settled in Hyderabad after becoming famous. For example T. Subbarami Reddy is in Delhi since 1996 as a MP & Union Minister, however that does not make him a Delhite. NTR, Chiranjeevi, Chandrababu Naidu etc. settled in Hyderabad only after becoming famous. They were not born or had their parents working in Hyderabad, nor did they attend any Hyderabadi school or struggle in Hyderabad to achieve fame and reputation. Legally speaking however, if you have a ration card or voter id with a Hyderabad address, then you may be termed as a resident of Hyderabad. But still in spirit that is not a true Hyderabadi Sarvagyana guru (talk) 19:03, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

your reason sounds logical ,can you provide reliable sources to reference your Pov 'please'-NotedGrant Talk 19:10, 26 October 2009 (UTC)

The only reference I can provide is, the info given in Wikipedia, for e.g. if some article sates that Mr. So & So was born or grew up in Hyderabd, I assume it to be correct Sarvagyana guru (talk) 02:18, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

Chiranjeevi purchased properties in hyderabad and setteled there, he set up blood bank and eye bank and serving local people. Sania Mirza grand parents migrated from IRAN,saina is north indian born in hyd.so chiranjeevi is the real hyderabadi. not azhar or siana or sania or nagesh kaknoor who emigrated to australia. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Cbattula (talk • contribs) 15:35, 19 November 2009 (UTC)

Hyderabad did not contribute to Chiranjeevi's success. He did not need Hyderabad. He came to Hyderabad after he became famous. Hyderabadi does not mean only whose mother tongues is Telugu, a Hyderabadi can be a Bengali, Telugu, Muslim, Hindi, Anglo-Indian, Tamilian etc. All people listed in this section were either born in Hyderabad or like Rakesh Sharma studied in Hyderabd or in some way Hyderbad has influenced their growth. Chiranjeevi on other hand contributed to Hyderabd after he became famous. All Hyderabadis are Andhrites and all Andhrites are Indians, but this article is about Hyderabad. So let us restrict our list only to Hyderabadis.Sarvagyana guru (talk) 07:52, 21 November 2009 (UTC)

Proposal for changing th picture in 'Rail' section

The Secunderabad Railway Station is one of the busiest railway stations in India.

I propose for changing the picture in the 'Rail' sub-section of the 'Transport' section of this article from the present Necklace Road Railway Station, a MMTS train halted in it, to the picture of the North side entrance of the Secunderabad Railway Station, as displayed in the left(the proposed notation is also displayed). This is because Necklace Road Station is normal station in Hyderabad. Though MMTS train is displayed, this picture play's a major role as Secunderabad station is the largest railway station in Hyderabad. It reflect's the image of being Hyderabad's central station, when displayed. More and more, the page of the station is a long, good and organized article. Though it is to be met with some changes, it is going to be a Good article in near feature(see the discussion of the article: Talk:Secunderabad Railway Station). This proposal can be raised for an opposition within 5 days i.e. before 28the of April, 2010. If opposition is raised, it can be discussed until when it is solved. If no opposition is raised, the picture shall be on display, unanimously, on 28th April 2010.--Sharadbob^Talk_C 13:19, 23 April 2010 (UTC)

This picture is inserted observing no opposition.--Sharadbob^Talk_C 10:27, 28 April 2010 (UTC)

Hyderabad Montage

There are several issues with the montage:

• Where are the images of Golconda fort and Qutb Shahi Tombs, which determine the rich history of Hyderabad
• Why is the airport included in the montage? Hyderabad is not the only city with an airport
• As Charminar is the most imp monument and the identity of Hyderabad, it has to take an entire row and should be of largest size in the montage
• The img of IMAX theatre is completely unnecessary, instead the skyline of Hyderabad perhaps the img of HITEC City skyline can be used. Alternatively File:HyderabadBuilding.jpg can be used.
• The img of High court is of poor quality
• Osmania University img is unnecessary.

Finally, I propose the foll. be included in the montage:
compulsory-Charminar, Golkonda, Qutub Shahi Tombs, skyline, Legislative assembly
may be included-Tank bund(Hussainsagar lake), High court and Salarjung mueseum-- WorLD8115 (TalK) 16:03, 12 May 2010 (UTC)

IIT Hyderabad

What about the IIT hyderabad branch ? where is that ? i suggest u people to more extend the information and importance of our city ? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.169.146.118 (talk) 11:26, 22 July 2010 (UTC)

Is it that important? I believe IIT Hyd was started around 5 years ago so its not significant enough to be mentioned here. Thanks! Secret of success (talk) 16:45, 16 July 2011 (UTC)

Spelling of Hyderabad in various languages

I don't know why the the article starts by giving how to spell Hyderabd in various languages. Presently it is being spelled in Telugu, Urdu, English, Hindi & Tamil. Soon somebody will add spelling in Malayalam, Punjabi, Oriya, Bengali, Chinese, Arabic, Russian etc. I suggest only Telugu & Urdu be retained since these are the official languages of Hyderabad/AP. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 03:55, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Hyderabad, India?

Why is the name of the article Hyderabad, India? Shouldn't it be just Hyderabad, as is the convention with other major Indian cities Bangalore, Mumbai, New Delhi, Kolkata, and Chennai. The only other fairly important city named Hyderabad that I know of is Hyderabad, Pakistan, but I think whether it is very important in comparison to Hyderabad, India can be decided by WP:GOOGLE. Search for Hyderabad excluding the word Pakistan gives 44,100,000 results while a search for Hyderabad excluding the keywords India and Andhra, while including Pakistan gives 334,000 results. I wish people reply here, to start a discussion. Regards. MikeLynch (talk) 12:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Support the idea. At the top of this page, dab for Hyderabad, Pakistan should be added. Mspraveen (talk) 16:46, 30 October 2010 (UTC)

Thank you. Can anyone put this request up on the controversial move requests page? I am quite busy. Thanks. MikeLynch (talk) 17:42, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Support the idea.--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:14, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

"Unencyclopedic" content?

This is a quote from the article

The downside of the radio services in Hyderabad is the fact that the Telugu language takes a major precedence in the transmission leaving only a minute chunk of airtime towards Hindi and other languages. The less said about sports broadcast the better.

Shouldn't we remove this? Not only are the claims unsorced, I don't think one can even get a citation for a claim like "The less said about sports broadcast the better." Piyush (talk) 04:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Sure. You are correct. Please feel free to change the content as per that. Mspraveen (talk) 06:56, 15 November 2010 (UTC)

Is University of Hyderabad the best in India?

A contributor has added the statement that "The University of Hyderabad was recently ranked first in Indian subcontinent in the R&D arena" and to support his claim he has given reference to a proposal submitted by two gentlemen based on total number of papers submitted. Nowhere does the author suggest that University of Hyderabad is the best research university of Indian subcontinent surpassing Indian Institute of Science & IITs. It is suggested the articles pertaining be edited from NPOV view and peacock terms be avoided.

It is not surprising that the articles related to Hyderabad have not been able to become a featured article with this kind of edits.

Let us all try to make articles about Hyderabad added to list of featured article

Sarvagyana guru (talk) 05:33, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

I agree with you. Many Indian city articles are already FAs or GAs. We should try and make Hyderabad one too. TheMike •^{Wassup doc?} 05:37, 11 January 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad: Ambedkar commnets

Abhishek191288 ,
How my edit violated WP:NPOV? Can you explain? Per 3.1 of NPOV now edit should be ok. Lets discuss. Thanks . Ramcrk (talk) 05:48, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

I concur with Ramcrk. --Anshuk (talk) 06:14, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Only a part of it is ok and it need reframing. The rest Hyderabad has all the amenities which Delhi has and it is a far better city than Delhi. It has all the grandeur which Delhi has. Buildings are going cheap and they are really beautiful buildings, far superior to those in Delhi. The only thing that is wanting is a Parliament House which the Government of India can easily build gived undue weightage. And per WP:BRD, when I have disagreed with your edit and reverted, you should not revert back. —  Abhishek  (Talk) 06:45, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

Ambedkar veiw is not minority view. Article 371 of SRC says Hyderabad is well equipped city. What makes you to think Ambedkar's views are minority views? BTW, edit is not my edit. I simply restored the content which other editor removed earlier today without reason. This contents existed in the article since long time. Ramcrk (talk) 07:08, 7 July 2011 (UTC)

can we continue editing the article

there is a template on the top of the article, i am confused if we shall contenue editing this article or what is the purpose of that template?? Please someone advice, Thanks --Omer123hussain (talk) 14:27, 8 July 2011 (UTC)

proposing sub section for pharma and medical sector of hyderabad

kindly advice to start a sub section (Pharma, Drugs and Medical facilities) under section economy, as hyderabad is also known for and houses pharma and medical facilities, with local, national and international brands and services. Examples: Medical facilities such as LV Parshad eye hptl,(working with collaboration of WHO), NIMS, APollo, CARE, Life line, Gandhi hptl, Osmania hospital etc etc.. and hyderabad also houses Indian Ayurveda, Unani and Homeopathic R&D centers, which are very few in india and else were.

for Pharma and drug manufacturing: dr reddy , ccmb, iil, idpl, etc...

Thanks and regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:16, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think that is necessary. Inclusion of this would be giving undue weightage. —  Abhishek  ^Talk 13:00, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay. --Omer123hussain (talk) 13:39, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

Tollywood status

for User:Secret of success or any editor Kindly discuss or advice assuming good faith,

A sentence in the intro section reads as below,

The city is home to the Telugu Film Industry, which is among the largest in India, known popularly as Tollywood,

The sentence written above gives the misunderstandig that Tollywood is the largest Film Industry in India,(where as its not true, if compared with film release, net worth business done, awards received , etc etc...)

rather I propose it to be written as

• The city is home to the Telugu Film Industry, which is one of the the largest in India after bollywood, known popularly as Tollywood.

OR

• The city is home to the Telugu Film Industry, which is Second largest in India, known popularly as Tollywood.

This will specify the status of Telugu Film Industry, specially when it is written in the comparative sentence. Where as the given reference does not says that it is the largest. and when editor had written among the largest then the sentence should specify the exact status where does Tollywood stands among the largest. Perhaps i shall be very happy if Tollywood stands in first place, but that is not so true which we have to accept, or please provide the reference which proves Tollywood the largest. Regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 14:09, 9 July 2011 (UTC)

The statement, "Tollywood is the second largest after Bollywood" is a vague one without citation of status in the specific field. Tollywood is second largest only in terms of film output annually and not on an overall basis. The statement

• "The city is home to the Telugu film industry, which is the second largest in India in terms of annual film output, popularly referred to as Tollywood." with the precise reference to the annual film output is correct. It should be emphasised that the industry is second largest only in terms of annual film output and not in the fields of popularity and revenue. Kindly understand what I say and make necessary changes. Cheers!!! Secret of success (talk) 08:55, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Agree, shall update when retrieve any reference. regards --2.51.138.29 (talk) 20:08, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:09, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

replace chowmahalla palace pic with golconda pic

Advice required......

we shall replace the image of Chowmahalla Palace with the historical image of golconda

golconda fortbuilt during kakatiya dynasti and restored by qutb shahi sultans

.

Reasons:

• Chowmahalla Palace image is repeating twice, as it is already present in infobox.
• Qutb shahi Golconda fort ( in fact constructed during kakatiya dynasti ) is more historical than of Asaf Jahi Chowmahalla Palace to be kept in section like history.--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:21, 11 July 2011 (UTC)

I agree, as images should not be repeated in an article unless for edging reasons. The image of the palace looks better in the infobox so I suggest replacement with the golconda fort image in the other section. Regards! Secret of success (talk) 16:18, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

revert edit still reflecting

{{subst:Helpme-helpd}} can any one correct/revert the edit of User:78.93.51.194 made on page Hyderabad, India [here] at 13:22, 12 July 2011. it was reverted by user User:ClueBot NG, but even the vandalism is still reflecting.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:46, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

The edit was reverted by Cluebot, the IP editor was warned and has not edited again. What further action is needed? JohnCD (talk) 21:00, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for clarification, (Dont know why the revert was not effective till the time i asked for help).--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:20, 12 July 2011 (UTC)

English ol

Is english an official language of hyd or any other indian city? Why is added in the article? Secret of success (talk) 15:27, 20 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for restoring the article with previous name

Thanks to User:SpacemanSpiff for restoring the article to its previous name Hyderabad, India. --Omer123hussain (talk) 17:54, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

Hatred & Religion

No mention of recent bombings or racial hatred... a strange ommission. CCKKAB

Strange indeed! Mention of the bombing (bombings? which?) should have been there. As for RACIAL HATRED, (did you mean communal tension?) a source of your remark would really help. This ommission/omission whatever it is should be fixed. Wikipedia crusader(talk) 14:42, 12 September 2009 (UTC)

Too many unsourced info

There are many unsourced statements in the page which have been there for a long time. Unless sources are provided, they should be removed. Secret of success (talk) 16:25, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

removing info is not advisable, rather we may tag it for reference, it will get highlighted to editors . regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:20, 10 July 2011 (UTC)

Yes, there is an option but the amount of unsourced data is alarming(more than one-third of the page), so it might cause unwanted issues in the article, so we cannot hold off for long. Thanks! Secret of success (talk) 16:15, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

what! you mean to say we shall remove more than one-third of the information???, this is again not adviceable please see WP:IMPERFECT, article's talk page and edit warring. regards, --Omer123hussain (talk) 18:25, 18 July 2011 (UTC)

I only said that we cannot hold off for long. I never said that one third of the info was unsourced, only that a few unverifiable claims are present in the page for which the talk page could be used for discussion. Thats why I added the citation tag on top of the page. Plz don't misunderstand. Thanks! Secret of success (talk) 14:14, 23 July 2011 (UTC)

Okay, now i hope Hyderabad, India have good amount of references compared to featured article like Banglore see : here (but this does not mean that we should stop providing references ), Thus i believe that now we should start cleaning the article's grammar, tone, style and correct the references citation coding. --Omer123hussain (talk) 13:13, 26 July 2011 (UTC)

You've done an excellent job. Keep up the good work! Secret of success (talk) 15:35, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh and WP:BIAS

There was consensus at Wikipedia_talk:NCINDIA#Disambiguation_by_state_at_least to not use the country level for localities in India. Nevertheless I got reverted. What's the problem? I now see that also three other users moved the page to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. There also seems to have been a move request in 2006. But in 2008 this was a single handled action to move to Hyderabad, India. Details below. No city in the United States nor United Kingdom uses ", United States" or ", United Kingdom". Why can't we have that for India? To me it seems some kind of cultural systematic WP:BIAS. See below how Nikkul's reasoning is that most people don't know where Andhra Pradesh is. Do you think most people know where Indiana is, as in Laconia, Indiana? Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 12:01, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Date	User	Move	Comment
2006-11-11	Wknight94	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh	(Per WP:RM)
2008-01-28	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(Hyderabad India is more logical and is in better context)
2008-04-16	Pahari Sahib	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(Two cities in India are called Hyderabad - also there was Hyderabad State in India ....)
2008-04-17	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(More people know hyderabad as part of india than as part of the state of hyderabad. Hence it makes more sense to define the city with ref to the country since there are 2 hyderabads)
2008-10-08	Fundamental metric tensor	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(There are a lot of other Hyderabads in India)
2008-10-16	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(Hyderabad India is more informational since most people reading wont know what Andhra Pradesh is.)
2008-10-18	Fundamental metric tensor	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(Andhra Pradesh is only a click away)
2008-10-29	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(More people will know where Hyderabad, India is than Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh. This is an international encyclopedia and most readers don't know where or wut Andhra Pradesh is!)
2008-10-29	Fundamental metric tensor	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(What Nikkul said should also apply to almost every American city on wikipedia, as I said Andhra Pradesh is only a click away)
2008-11-30	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect ‎
2008-12-02	Fundamental metric tensor	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(As per convention, a city is never referred as City, India; in India. We are not supposed to change convention as per what one user's perceptions of the audience is.)
2009-02-13	Nikkul	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(Hyderabad is in India. Average reader doesnt know where Andhra is and pretty soon, Hyd won't be part of AP anyway!)
2011-07-18	Bogdan Nagachop	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(There is at least one more in India. Reducing possible confusion.)
2011-07-18	SpacemanSpiff	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(rvt undiscussed move, PRIMARYTOPIC and broke many incoming links)
2011-07-27	Bogdan Nagachop	Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh over redirect	(per consensus at Wikipedia talk:NCINDIA#Disambiguation by state at least)
2011-07-27	SpacemanSpiff	Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to Hyderabad, India over redirect	(Rvt move without consensus)

A notification at the article's talk page is needed for controversial moves such as this. Otherwise, editors who normally work on the article may be unaware that a move request discussion is going on. I'm one of them. See Wikipedia:Requested moves#Requesting controversial and potentially controversial moves. You should probably file a move request on the link I gave. Elockid ^(Talk) 12:57, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• On 18 July I was not aware it was controversial. The revert was done with claiming "rvt undiscussed move, PRIMARYTOPIC and broke many incoming links". But I wonder 1) what is meant by "PRIMARYTOPIC", is this referring to "Hyderabad" - no it cannot. Is it "Hyderabad, India" - I guess most people in India would never call it that way. 2) "broke many incoming links" what did it "broke", can't we fix that? Maybe a bot can change all Hyderabad, India to Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh?
• On 27 July I moved since there was consensus at Wikipedia talk:NCINDIA#Disambiguation by state at least. So what's up with this one guy ignoring WP India consensus? Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 13:55, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no consensus for anything, all you are doing here is accusing everyone of bias and unable to work here. Quite simple. —SpacemanSpiff 14:13, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Did you read Wikipedia talk:NCINDIA#Disambiguation by state at least? I see consensus there for using at least the state level. Also, where did I accuse anyone of being unable to work? Where did I accuse "everyone of being biased"? If I perceive bias, and you think this is not, then please explain why Andhra Pradesh is treated different to U.S. states. User Nikkul above said that " Average reader doesnt know where Andhra is " - Since U.S. city articles use the state name, this would imply that the average reader does know where each U.S. state is. He also says "This is an international encyclopedia". If it should be international why treat U.S. states different to Indian states. If it is about the average reader, this is circular: If one writes an encyclopedia for Non-Indians Indians won't be the readers! What if one day all Indian read WP, will then the naming conventions for U.S. city articles change? Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 16:09, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

@Bogdan: based on the above log you've given, the number of moves suggests that any page moves would be controversial. For me anyways, if an article has a history of being moved, then it should probably be treated as a potentially controversial move. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:08, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your answer. You are maybe right for my first move. But the 2nd move was supported by consensus via WP India. SpacemanSpiff is making false allegations of no consensus. rgpk, Crusoe8181 and me agree. No opposition. [2] Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 19:17, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

I can see some consensus as of right now. But, consensus can change. I'd wait for some more input here first. You could notify editors who have been actively editing this article and ask for their input. We also have a tool to see the editors who have edited the article the most. I've seen some editors refer Telengana as a state and not a region. Like this edit. Couldn't disambiguating to the state cause some more confusion/arguments since there are some editors who would disambiguate Hyderabad as Hyderabad, Telengana rather than Hyderabad, Andra Pradesh? Elockid ^(Talk) 19:36, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Elockid, see the section below the one you're looking at, I have specifically called out Hyderabad because this is one place where the state rule is counter-productive. Also, see the article history and the section above this. This is why I asked him to specifically use WP:RM, but he refuses, he wants to do it his way and no way else. Anyways, this is beyond just this page, it's at WP:ANI now. —SpacemanSpiff 19:46, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Didn't even notice those sections. Thanks for the info. Elockid ^(Talk) 19:56, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

One person "called out Hyderabad" and thinks this is overriding a WP India 4:1 majority opinion to not use the country level for disambiguation, as do Argentina, Australia, Brazil, Canada, China, France, Ireland, Italy, Mexico, South Africa, United Kingdom or the United States, by using the name of the state, province, territory, region, county or department instead. And this person deletes a SIA article without discussion to move the article about the city in India from the as far as is known unambiguous name Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh to the ambiguous(sic!) name Hyderabad, India. And then this person goes to WP:ANI instead of discussing the 4:1 majority in the respective WikiProject. That some people refer to Telengana as a state can be true, but it does not change the truth that as of July 2011 it is not a state of the Republic of India. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 22:48, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Why Hyderabad, India?

• ongoing statehood issue for separate Telengana from Andhra Pradesh, the article will become a issue forum ( some editors will stand for Telengana and some will oppose it ). And article will lose its neutrality.
• Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh is bit confuse to readers, as Hyderabad is a metropolitan city in India thus Hyderabad, India looks quit logical for researchers.
• many editors get confuse with Hyderabad, Sindh and Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh while editing, please see [|this] as this statement was said for the city, roads and buildings of Hyderabad State (which is now Hyderabad, India ) where as the editor had mistakenly added for Hyderabad, Sindh. Thus to avoid confusion it is better that we shall make it Hyderabad, Pakistan and Hyderabad, India which will give clear picture to the editors and researchers.

Thus i believe that reserving it with the name Hyderabad, India will be better, In terms of articles constructive manner. regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:53, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

• If one day the state of Telengana is created and Hyderabad is part of it then it can be changed. There will be official boundaries and one can easily decide where it belongs.
• Many editors? You cited one. If people from Europe edit articles on cities of the United States they also may get confused from time to time, do we rename the articles for U.S. for that reason?
• There are at least two Hyderabads in India, see Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh. Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 13:09, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Hyd is India's second silicon valley??

Chennai is the second largest exporter of IT and software after Bangalore, then how can Hyd be the Second silicon valley of India? This needs research. Secret of success (talk) 14:25, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

I don't think it's true. Hyderabad is only an emerging IT hub. Chennai ranks next to Bangalore. The supporting ref doesn't seem reliable, one of them is a forum and the other one looks like a promotional website. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 14:41, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you remove them? Secret of success (talk) 15:20, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

you are right there is not much written about its status as second silicon but the reason why Hyderabad, India is called second silicon is, because it houses many MNC's offices and head quarters (names already mention in article) in Hyderabad. not because of s/w production or export --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:32, 28 July 2011 (UTC)

Whatever, silicon valley refers to IT related importance as mentioned in the Bangalore page. The sources are unreliable and cannot be used here. So, I am removing it for now. If a proper reference can be provided for its status as third or fourth largest IT hub in India, I see no reason to stop it. Secret of success (talk) 06:46, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Btw, the list of MNC's in Hyd is very small compared to Chennai and Bangalore. So, that also doesn't support the silicon reference. Secret of success (talk) 06:55, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

of course, as i told earlier may be turn over or production does not match with those you compare but the companies who houses and offices in hyderabad are more unique world wide. to name few are Dell, MicroSoft, Oracle, Google, facebook which are rarely found in other locations. as if you see the records sillicon valley is not famous for production or export of s/w but due to it houses most of the companies headoffices. any way i had found some references thru simple google search and categoricaly arranged some of the references and those are enough to prove ones claims.

• social sites:

[3] [4] [5] [6] [7]

• companies

[8] [9] [10]

• education sites:

[11] [12]

even monster: [13]

hope its okay and acceptable by all editors.

regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:58, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

refer to WP:V for what a reliable source is. Forums cannot be accepted and half your sources are not proper. Secret of success (talk) 10:54, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

User:Omer123hussain, most of the sources you mentioned were forums and promotional websites (Promoting Hyd). Unless a reliable source is mentioned dont make any changes. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 11:00, 31 July 2011 (UTC)

Ya, this article will never become a featured article if such sources are given. Don't you want it to become one?? Secret of success (talk)

High commision in of India in London says --Omer123hussain (talk) 18:11, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The source says hyd as "Future silicon valley", which may not necessarily be a fact. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 18:33, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad, India or Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

I think the Indian Railways still use the term Hyderabad, Deccan Sarvagyana guru (talk) 07:19, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Can you cite a source? Bogdan Nagachop (talk) 15:47, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

There is no major railway station by the name of Hyderabad; most trains ply to Kacheguda and Secunderabad. Regarding Hyd, India or Hyd, AP, I'd strongly support Hyderabad, India; as the one and only reason that the page needs a dab is that a Hyderabad exists in Pakistan as well. Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh makes no sense. Lynch7 16:54, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

I dont no what exactly make you to inquire for hyderabad deccan railway. but yes the hyderabad railway station of nampally is refereed and known as hyderabad deccan railway station and hyderabad deccan trains even in official records of railway it is refereed as mention.[14]and some other references are [15], [16] this railway station is connected very well to all the metro cities of India, the main importance of it is that all the trains which leaves from here go thru secunderabad or kachiguda. this railway station is considered main railway station for the old city of hyderabad, ( Hyderabad Deccan railway station and secunderabad railway station is almost like both of Delhi nizamuddin railway station and new delhi railway station, may be B R Ambedkar found more simaliraties like this and proposed Hyderabad to be the winter capital of independant India ).--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Suggestion

Earlier to independence of India there was no Pakistan thus in those times Hyderabad of (now in) Pakistan was known as Hyderabad, Sindh and Hyderabad of (now in) India was known as Hyderabad Deccan, therefore we can maintain this theory and name those as Hyderabad, Pakistan ( instead of Hyderabad, Sindh) and Hyderabad, India for ( Hyderabad Deccan )--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:37, 30 July 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:39, 30 July 2011 (UTC)

Genome Valley?

Hyd is slated to be India's genome valley and a source is provided which mentions the term, but is it really referred to with the title?? I noticed that there was a separate article for it but most of the sources provided in the article contained speculations or informal statements made by people. An Official Source is required for such statements. In the main page, a rediff link regarding the most expensive cities is given but it doesn't state anything about a genome valley at all!! Plz note the importance of the term and if proper sources cant be given, the page should be nominated for deletion. Secret of success (talk) 14:33, 1 August 2011 (UTC)

please see and --Omer123hussain (talk) 18:07, 2 August 2011 (UTC)

The cyberabad link says that there is a research lab called genome valley. In the second one, it is quoted by Dr. Reddy himself, which is not sufficient enough to prove it. There are other cities like Delhi and Chennai which are also highly developed in the field of bio-technology. Secret of success (talk) 16:35, 5 August 2011 (UTC)

Unless something like a census or status link is put (Position of bio-tech in Indian cities or something similar) which makes Hyd the largest promoter of this field, there should be no speculation about terms like 'genome valley'. Secret of success (Talk) 12:47, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

hyderabad as second largest agglomerate

dear User:Secret of success, what made you to go against the reference and write It is the third largest urban agglomerate??? thou reference ( The Hindu ) says:

This is the first municipal election after Greater Hyderabad was created in 2007 after merging eight municipalities and 12 villages of neighbouring districts with Hyderabad. This has made Greater Hyderabad the second biggest urban agglomerate in the country after New Delhi in terms of area (621.48 sq. km).

it proves that hyderabad is the second largest agglomerate but you had changed it to third, please specify and provide reference to justify your edit.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:05, 3 August 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:07, 3 August 2011 (UTC)

Huh, now another editor had changed it from third to fourth.--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:42, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

May I ask you what happened to Bangalore??? Hyd's area is 650 and Bangalore is well over 700 so how can it be the second largest after Delhi?? Secret of success (talk) 14:40, 4 August 2011 (UTC)

The area administered by Bangalore Municipal corpn. is 741 sq.kms. Then how come Hyderabad the second largest city in terms of area. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 10:03, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Please note, the reference provided is quite outdated. The area of a city should be stated using its m.c. website only. That states Hyd's area as 650 sq. km. Secret of success (Talk) 12:19, 7 August 2011 (UTC)

Need for modification in the montage

The Montage depicting the city in the main info box needs some modification. The Chowhamalla palace picture should be replaced with an external view of the palace and should not exist with the internal view of the main hall. Some plz see that it is done. Thank you! Secret of success (Talk) 12:06, 10 August 2011 (UTC)

Who removed the tags??

There are many promotional sites and forums being used as sources in the article, so I had added the unreliable sources tag in the article but someone has removed it without any reason. Unless anyone objects, I will be adding the tag again. Secret of success (Talk) 13:55, 11 August 2011 (UTC)

Destructive edits by User:Dragonbooster4

dear admin/active editors kindly look into the destructive reverts and edits made by the User:Dragonbooster4, into the article Hyderabad, India without users/editors consensus. Rather then making constructive contribution the user is regularly spoiling the article, not even a single edit of User:Dragonbooster4 is constructive and without edit specification. locations spoiled by User:Dragonbooster4 are

• Introduction Section
• Media
• Economy
• Demographics
• sister cities
• Education and research.

kindly advice admin/all active editors for further actions.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)}} --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I have left a message for Dragonbooster4 on xyr talk page, requesting xe self-revert the removal of information and discuss here. I'll try to monitor the situation and see what happens as we move forward. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:16, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Alright, I've gotten more input from other editors, but there's still a problem here; unfortunately, it's not one I want to take the time to get involved with. User:Secret of success said on my talk page that this is part of a larger dispute about the Tamil & Telugu film in India. Okay, that's fine, but you can't just revert information here or remove sources provided by another editor without explaining that. Since this article talk page has absolutely no discussion of some alleged agreement about the competing size of these two film industries, how would a new user know about it? Second, Secret of success pointed me to some news articles, but not to any actual discussions on Wikipedia. And even if xe did, there really isn't any mechanism that says, "in all articles, we will state fact X." But, no matter what may have been decided somewhere, it must be explained to new editors here, or anywhere else the issue arises.

Second, you need to deal with the fact that the source that was being warred over, which appears to me to meet the reliable sources guidelines, explicitly says, "Underpinned by the country’s second-largest film production industry – Telugu Film, commonly known as ‘Tollywood’ – and bolstered by emerging biotech and pharmaceutical industries, Hyderabad has one of the fastest growing economies in India." You can't ignore what a reliable source says simply because of an agreement on Wikipedia; you can reject the content if it's UNDUE, or the source isn't reliable, or it doesn't fit in this article, but you can't reject it due to some sort of agreement. If two or more reliable sources disagree, then you have to present both of those points of view.

Third, Dragonbooster4 claimed on my talk that the info doesn't belong because this article is about Hyderabad, not the film industry. That claim is simply wrong. Part of any discussion of a location (city, state, country, etc.) is a discussion of its industry and economy. There is a full section in this article devoted to economy. Now, maybe Omer places those sources and info in the wrong part of the article (I'd have to check), but if we can verify that this city is the home of India's second largest film industry, then that information belongs in the economy section.

Fourth, and most important, I have to reiterate and rephrase what I said in the first section--improving Wikipedia articles cannot be done through edit warring and simply saying "You need to learn about Wikipedia" or "This was decided elsewhere." You must collaborate here, and discuss the issue here, or, at a minimum, point the user to a centralized discussion somewhere else.

If you all can't come to a satisfactory solution among yourselves, please pursue dispute resolution. I will keep monitoring, but keep a little distance for now. Qwyrxian (talk) 22:28, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Even after many requests the user User:Dragonbooster4 is not refrain from his negative activities, kindly check this ( 445340615 [17] ) revert made by user User:Dragonbooster4.

The source clearly says that

The Cyperabad Times, Monday, November 19, 2007, Banjara hills tops the list,

Banjara Hills and Jubilee Hills, though traditional markets, are preferred by the new age retailers with the highest annual rent rise in the country. These markets are prime residential locations. Banjara Hills in Hyderabad was the highest gainer in India with an annual rental growth of 114% appreciation over last year. Nugambakkam and Khader Nawas Khan Road in Chennai also witnessed high rental growth of 106% making it the second highest in India. Sardar Patel Road and Begumpet in Hyderabad and Koramangala 80 Feet Road in Bangalore were among the highest risers with increase of 100% and 92% respectively.

but the user User:Dragonbooster4 had reverted it to ( The city houses Andhra Pradesh state's most expensive residential real estate areas in Banjara Hills and Jubilee Hills) where as it was previously state with reference as : The city houses Indias most expensive residential real estate areas in Banjara Hills and Jubilee Hills.

any way i am correcting it to India which is right and stated in reference --Omer123hussain (talk) 08:37, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Omer, you're misreading the source. It doesn't say that they are the most expensive residential areas in india. It says they were the "highest gainer in India". That just means they had the largest percentage increase over a one year period--it doesn't mean the final value is the highest in India. The source is about percentage improvement, the article is talking about absolute value. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:48, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Ok well! then please you advice/correct how it should be well utilized/written in the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:49, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Sorry to interrupt, but I must say that many of the sources in the article have been misread as such and require attention. Secret of success (Talk) 12:36, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

Continuous change of info

The sentence that It is currently, the second largest metropolis in India, covering an area up-to (621.48 km2) is continuously being changed by someone. It has been decided in the talk page that Hyd is the third largest after Delhi and Bangalore, not 2nd as stated by the source. So why is it being changed?? Any further disruption in the data would be reported to an admin. Secret of success (Talk) 12:32, 18 August 2011 (UTC)

correcting once again the requested change done by someone, I think it's time for us to request this article a protected or semi-protected.--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:40, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

removing lengthy and unnecessary information from intro section

shortening the lengthy and unnecessary information of mushaira from intro section, as the article is not about any single culture or person. The reference provided does not meet the standards of WP, thus replaced it with another authentic reference. --Omer123hussain (talk) 11:16, 19 August 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:38, 19 August 2011 (UTC)

A user had placed information about mushaira Poet khundmeri, I removed it and restored the article with the summaraized info abt mushaira. what i believe is there are many urdu poets from hyderabad, india which we cannot include in this page.--Omer123hussain (talk) 23:30, 20 August 2011 (UTC)

Tollywood status

Added info to controversial topic Tollywood, with latest statistics issued by The Times of India on 22 August 2011: with the title Tollywood loses top slot, for more details, kindly check this | reference and please try to accept the reality. --Omer123hussain (talk) 07:01, 22 August 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:33, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

User:Omer123hussain, what you have to understand is that the rank held by a film industry is not judged by the film output in one or two years, but over a long period of time. At present, I agree that it is the second or third largest, but overall it cannot be really decided. Remember, in some years like 1985 (peak of Tamil industry) and 2006 (peak of Telugu industry), even Bollywood stood in the third place on the basis of no. of films yearly. So, it cannot be decided with such vague phrases given by the sources. Secret of success (Talk) 14:51, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

To make you and others understand i had specifically mention the related topic peak years.--Omer123hussain (talk) 19:08, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

CORRECTED REFERENCE

I had corrected the edit 447299402 of User:Dragonbooster4 which he made w/o citing the attached source and info which was not present in the attached source. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 16:21, 29 August 2011 (UTC)

Rail

Removed the sub section title ( domestic/local rail )and merged with main section ( rail ).

• Hyderabad does not have strong network of local rail thus its not really necessary to discuss it in separate section.
• City like Mumbai have a broad network of local rail but even it is not discussed in separate section, and same is for London.regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 14:12, 31 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi. Plz note that Mumbai is a deleted featured article, therefore its not wise to follow it to result in degrading quality of other Indian city articles. Try following present FA's like Bangalore. Secret of success (Talk) 14:13, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

thanks Secret of success, what i mean above was, that it is not really necessary to discuss ( domestic/local rail ), as Hyderabad hardly have local rails, that to it uses broad gauge for that. any way not only Mumbai the same status is of London which have wide network of local rail.

Today i fix some repeating sentences, out of source information, and organized section sentences according to its tone. Kindly check and make the necessary corrections if required.regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:49, 6 September 2011 (UTC)--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:02, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Tag removal

I have removed the reliable sources tag, since I saw that a good number of sources were indeed good and passable. If a source is seriously unreliable, then the content could be removed altogether (though it'd be wise to leave a note on this page before actually doing that). Lynch7 14:44, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and appreciate your initiative, regards, --Omer123hussain (talk) 20:27, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Un related images

A special Coach which takes visitors around the studios of Ramoji Film City - the largest integrated film studio complex at over 2,000 acres (809 ha) of land.

Raj Bhavan Road, Somajiguda

Well, after block of User:Dragonbooster4, now we have new User:Eeenadu who want to add new images to the article. Asper his remarks in previous edits.

• the image speaks about Hyderabad economy and infrastructure, it is important to add images related to infrastructure.
• there is enough authentic information /acceptable no of images, about the article, mr omer, i request u please stop making frequent changes and disruptions.

I want to specify that WP is not a social website where you want to share images, Its an encyclopedia to which we need to add information that to with authentic source. Inetially non of his/her edit was with specifications.

Well Here I propose of the replacement of this image and lengthy narration,

With some suitable or previous image of Ramoji film city.

The section Economy already have two suitable images, which he/she whad replace with, this image,

I dont understand what he want to proof with this image, may be he want to proof Hyderabad city have vehicles and roads or what????

Okay, let me be more specific, I strongly beleive that this user is a new account of recently blocked User:Dragonbooster4 who was always insisting for multiple images and worring other editors with his wrong claims. I request any of the administraor to kindly look into this issu and advice. Regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:01, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

If WP had given us the opportunity to add images in the articles, it does not mean that we should make it an album. Please reade this policy of WP image queuing, I dont think you User:Eeenadu are editing the article with good faith. Kindly specify your cause of adding multiple images. Have you seen there are already three images in one section Economy beyond you had added unrelated images multiple times.

If you are not a new user of User:Dragonbooster4, You are welcome and kindly go thru this below policy of WP as you are new to it, take it as a advice with good faith.

• MOS:IMAGES
• WP:MOSIM
• Image placement policy
• Image gallery policy
• Image queuing

And any way i will remove it, and this is according to this policy of WP image queuing and lastly stop accusing others with wrong words. --Omer123hussain (talk) 10:38, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

related images read the points carefully - You are completely deleting images

• you are deleting the images and not replacing them in original article. (this is called vandalism)

• Here in Ramoji film city article, you have deleted the previous image and replaced the Moghul garden replica image from the Ramoji film city article.

• You are free to replace moghul garden image, Only if u replace the image i posted back to Ramoji film city article, but you are comeplety deleting the valuable pictures, and u are making them lost in edit summaries with your disruptive edits.

• when it comes to raj bahavan road, I am not going to accept your abuses / personal opinons on a fellow editor. The section talks about Hyderabad infrastructure, that inlcudes an image related to Roads also.

• three images per section is acceptable, i request your kindself to stop USING YOUR PERSONAL OPINIONS.

(Eeenadu (talk) 11:26, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

The other point is - where is the questions of multiple images here???? that was done by some other user??? which user ur talking about, this is the first time I am talking to a fellow editor.

I cant understand ur take, I replaced one of ur image and I have added only 1 image, and ur talking about multiple images???

please be clear in ur mail.

so u want all the edits in Hyderabad article as per ur wish - image policy u posted did not speak about our issue (You are just demanding and abusing fellow editors to add images which u like, are u crazy???)

(Eeenadu (talk) 11:35, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

now ur free to replace Ramoji film city image which u like and replace, the image i posted in original article. (I dont have any issues, I am not interested in edit war like u)

but I am clearly not going to accept your take on Raj bhavan road, image, (it is not showing that Hyderabad has roads and vehicles) it is indicating one of the commercially prominent streets of Hyderabad, you check other metropolitan cities on this.

further, I have changed the description of raj bhavan road image, which shows why the image is important (Eeenadu (talk) 11:43, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

I am not interested in ur queries on this anymore (Eeenadu (talk) 11:56, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

As per ur request, I replaced Ramoji film city image without Bus. (Eeenadu (talk) 12:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

One thing, I don't have the patience to go to the history of the article and check every image under dispute, so I request you guys to mention the actual filenames of the images under dispute on this talk page (more convenient for any yser browsing this discussion). Eeenadu, Manual of style (layout) - here's your policy. Lynch7 12:37, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

no image dispute

Hii, the image dispute is not the issue, the issue is about what type of images and how many number of images to be included, in Hyderabad article. and I think the issue is resolved almost, as I have replaced one of the suggested image by the other user omer. even though I am into dispute resolution, the other user is insisting otherwise. (Eeenadu (talk) 12:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

But, I am clearly not going to accept user Omer's personal take saying not to include this below image -

Raj Bhavan Road

I prefer include this image, because, (it is not advertising that Hyderabad has roads and vehicles) but it is indicating one of the commercially prominent streets of Hyderabad, you check other metropolitan cities on this.

further, I have changed the description of raj bhavan road image, which shows why the image is important (Eeenadu (talk) 12:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

The problem is just that. The image just has a road, some vehicles, and a bank in the background. When we say that a "road" is commercially significant, we do not mean the asphalt road do we. We mean the whole complex, the whole section of the road, with all its shops and malls. If you can, put up an image of some prominent shops or malls in Rajbhavan road. Lynch7 13:04, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I am not interested in any queries on this from anyone, anymore, I did my best (Eeenadu (talk) 13:00, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

Okay I have replaced that image with another please check, whether it is okay, Thank you

(Eeenadu (talk) 13:13, 13 September 2011 (UTC)).

Seems fine. Lynch7 13:54, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

I'm a bit disturbed by Eeenadu's recent posts, claiming to have reached a consensus (which I don't see - I see him demanding his way or nothing else) and then stating that he is "not interested in any queries on this from anyone" - given the current sockpuppet investigation open on him, I think a more prudent measure (which I have done) is to roll back his recent changes until that SPI case runs its course - especially considering the disruptions caused by past accounts of that sockmaster. MikeWazowski (talk) 14:14, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

The new image that Eeenadu included seems to be fine IMO. If Omerhussain123 doesn't have serious reservations, it should remain, irrespective of whether the user is blocked or not. Lynch7 14:57, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

The images Eeenadu added are,

• Raj Bhavan Road, Somajiguda: somajiguda is just a location with some offices, residential bungalow and flats are available, its probably a 2 Km curved road, other than this place have nothing important which shall be discussed here. The actual raj bhavan is located at inbetween khairtabad maqta and somajiguda road.

My query for this image, is it really worth to be discussed and locate in the article??? what is so important spl in this image for other to see, or learn, or could be worth of research purpose, there are many more locations which shall be discussed like Necklace road (road which is almost similar like Bombay marine drive, having hussain sagar, on its one side and gardens lawns on another side), jublihills road, pathergatti pearls markit road, outer ring road 8 lane newly inauguration road, new latest 11+ Km long express way bridge, shamshabad airport road, abids road, etc etc.

I strongly recommend that this image should be removed. as it have no importance to be discussed or to stay here in this article, 3 images are ok in one section why to add 4th. tomorrow another user will ask to include image of his/her locality.

• 

  A special Coach which takes visitors around the studios of Ramoji Film City - the largest integrated film studio complex at over 2,000 acres (809 ha) of land.

This image of bus carrying tourist into a tour of ramoji film city, with lengthy narration, which is repeated again in the section. asper his previous replies some where here, the editor Eeenadu, with this image of bus carrying tourist he want to prove that the studio is very big which can carry tours to its visitors in the bus is it a mature thought???? then why we are adding references???? The previous image was a replica of mughal gardens, neat and clean which is more better, and standard image.

I shall never agree with this image of ramoji film city, it shall be replaced to its previous one or some more better image.

If we do not control the bulk image posts now, it will become a spoiled article like previously it was suffering with multiple images. to which we had controlled with lot of discussions. We cant leave the article on his mercy to get it spoiled, or to start a image posting front. There are hundreds of historical images which other users wants to post, or discuss here in the article. As a new user Eeenadu he/she should first study the article, go thru the previous consensus, discussions, archived discussions, etc on the talk page, then one may attempt into the editing, other wise every new user will come and try to shape the article according to them. Initially he did not discussed on the talk page before posting any image. nor he had discussed before deleting any image, which shows his/her intention to shape the article according to his desire. I ask him/her,

• to discuss on talk page before making any edit,
• stop posting multiple images with un-required lengthy and repeating information, as earlier editors had came to consensus to control bulk images, and 1 or 2 images per section. regards --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:49, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

Aprstc runs the world's largest fleet of buses?

There is a quote below an image, which says that the Andhra Pradesh Bus fleet is the largest in the world and to support it, some random image with a guinness certificate stating a sign by some unnoted guy is given. These kind of things have to be stated using guinness website only! If it was indeed the largest in the world, I'm sure that it would be present in their official site for records. Please change the link with the new one to avoid misunderstanding. Thanks! Secret of success (Talk) 14:39, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Is it the policy of WP which you are asking for? any way the source is obtained from the official website of Andhra Pradesh State Road Transport Corporation reliable. --Omer123hussain (talk) 19:23, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

No, the company is never going to be a reliable source for claims that it itself holds a world record. WP:SELFPUB, which is the part of WP:V that talks about sources that talk about themselves, says that we can use SPS, but only when the information is not "unduly self-serving". A claim of being a world record holder is highly self-serving, and thus needs to be referenced in a third party source. Note that if you do find the Guinness source, we'll have to say something like, "According to Guinness, has the world's largest bus fleet" because Guinness is not infallible, and thus we need to know who is making the claim. Qwyrxian (talk) 23:34, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay well  !!! then we can use this and this source.--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:24, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry Omer, I don't think that it can be included. That site is not the official Guinness site. If the actual site were to be more user friendly, we'd probably not have this issue at all. Lynch7 06:53, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Even the ap bus fleet page makes the claim without a proper source. Someone plz change that too. Secret of success (Talk) 12:46, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Okay, Well!!! As adviced by Lynch and Qwyrxian for the accurate source. I found one as detailed below.

• Book Name: guinness world records 2005
• Language : published in Portuguese language
• Location : Brazil
• ISBN : 8500015225
• ISBN Confirmed by WP : Here
• Online source or Read the Book : Here
• Details availabel on Page Number : 143

Statement says about APSRTC in guinness world records 2005 in Portuguese language is as below.

A maior frota de onibus

A Andhra Pradesh State Road Transport Corporation |India| opera cerca de 18,900 onibus em 8.678 intinerarios. Estima-se que transportem por volta de 13milhoes de passagerios po dia.

For the same, the simple google translate in English is as below or can be found Here.

The largest fleet of buses

The Andhra Pradesh State Road Transport Corporation | India | 18.900 operates about 8,678 buses in the itinerary. It is estimated that carrying around a 13milhoes passagerios po day.

• Can Lynch, Qwyrxian or any Admin confirm the source, and advice if we can restore the claim with above source. Happy editing.--Omer123hussain (talk) 07:37, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

That print source is fine; just be sure to phrase the sentence as something like "As of 2005..." since that's the most recent data we have. Qwyrxian (talk) 08:06, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks for your prompt responce and I hope we shall apply this source on the article APSRTC. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:10, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Good one Omer. Lynch7 11:58, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks.--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:49, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

In the Delhi article, it is stated that the city runs the world's largest fleet of CNG buses. I'm not very sure if both mean the same but the matter should be looked into, nevertheless. Secret of success (Talk) 14:09, 6 September 2011 (UTC)

Definitely Delh might run the largest fleet of CNG busses, where as APSRTC is in the process to start here, almost all the transport buses in Delhi are run with CNG,(due to heavy thick air pollution), but this does not mean or claim to have largest fleet of buses.Regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:18, 13 September 2011 (UTC)

My point was that in the Delhi page, the no. of buses forming the fleet is given as 9000, much larger than our claim of 8678 buses in AP. I understand that they expand over time, but a source is needed for that. Secret of success (Talk) 10:06, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, I don't think that is in need of change as the official site says that the total no. of buses cross 20,000. Cheers! :) Secret of success (Talk) 10:10, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

India's Top 10 cities in terms of development

Hyd is ranked 5th. I just wanted your opinions before adding it to the article. [18] Secret of success (Talk) 13:35, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

• Please see this reference it says Hyderabad as among indian 4 metropolis cities, [19], the attached source says "

"The Metropolis Mission in India was carried out in 4 major Indian cities: Bangalore, Hyderhabad, Mumbai and New Delhi from 24 June to 7 July 2011."

the survey was carried by The delegation of Metropolis World Association with Indian Govet cooperation, the latest one in July 2011. It proves that Hyd is among the 4 metropolis cities of India (worldwide as also by Indian Govt).

• Please see this research report:METROPOLITAN GOVERNANCE IN INDIA, AN OVERVIEW OF SELECTED CITIES by K C Sivaramakrishnan and Arundhati Maiti, Centre for Policy Research. Delh.here page 8 is the comparison between the cities of Bangalore, Chennai, Hyderabad, Kolkata, Mumbai and Delhi. where in some or the other field each city comes on top. the reference says the area of Chennai (1187 Km) is less than Kolkatta (1855 Km) thus, this does not mean that Kolkatta is greater than Chennai because again in terms of literacy Chennai is (76.8%) where as Kolkatta is (74.6% less than Chennai).

India's Top 10 cities in terms of development, development in which field??

A city can be a highest metropolis, in terms of Area or urban area or Population or economy or growth % etc etc development, Thus, suppose, if Delhi is 1st highest metropolis in area, banglore could be 1st highest metropolis in economy, and at the same time hyderbabad could be 1st highest metropolis in growth.

The issue is we cannot discuss all the details in an intro section, as well all our city articles sections already have lot more to be discussed and beyond full with personal interest, every editor want to place the information which looks/feel good to there eyes, and do not will to accept the reality.--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:14, 8 September 2011 (UTC)

Or, to phrase it differently, the purpose of these articles is not to find every source that has praised or ranked the city and include that. We want factual information about the city itself--it's geography, demographics, a brief history, etc. Given that that is just a random report made by some researchers with no particular (as far as I know) importance in the field of urban studies, I can't rationalize including that. If it were included, it shouldn't be in the lead. Qwyrxian (talk) 02:52, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

User:Omer123hussain, both the sources you provided aren't reliable. When did Chennai and Kolkata's areas cross 1000 sq.km, may I ask?? Secret of success (Talk) 12:16, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

Please go further and read the attached reference, in the same sentence. Okay for you I will place it here once more page 8 Tabel field, S no.1, Any way that area is in Sq Km of both metropolitan. Any how I dont have issue, in any city area including Hyderabad, but unless authentic source is attached. regards,--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:00, 9 September 2011 (UTC)

No, they are ranked based on mainly economy and infrastructure facilities in the city (quantifiable factors). The page clearly mentions it. Secret of success (Talk) 10:15, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

Cuisine, common food habits, tea and somosa

• Replaced dead link with live one.
• Removed un-sourced and un-related information: tea, samosa and common snacks habits can be discussed in sub article Hyderabadi cuisine. Thus i removed it as it was un sourced, kindly advice if we shall discuss, any way i dont thik its logical to discuss it here as these are common almost in south asia. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:49, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

• Removed the sentence Hyderabadi Haleem (a meat dish traditionally prepared and eaten during the holy month of Ramzan) as it was partially repeating twice. once the related word is linked using WP:AWB than i dont think it should me discussed in details. Kindly advice. regards. --Omer123hussain (talk) 15:55, 14 September 2011 (UTC)

The lead section

The main section is stating info about the city which can be merely classified as achievements, rather than the basic points like location, main geography, fields of major importance, etc...I will try modifying it, but in this condition, I don't know what the article is touted to become.. Secret of success (Talk) 10:44, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

As a regular editor on this page I expected some constructive contribution from you, rather deleting authentic sourced information nor you had repaired or replaced that deleted information, specify you purpose of this edit and for this edit you made a edit specification remark:removed unsourced claims and cleanup when the information were WP:AWB how come those were unsourced??? Kindly explain.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:47, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

I had moved this

The city houses Microsoft's biggest R&D facility outside the USA.

info to lead section, which gives importance to it, kindly advice, regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:31, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

You need to read wp:AGF and specify which part of my edit was damaging. As for Microsoft's data, y does that have to be in the lead section?? Its perfectly fine if you add it in a sub-section, but I don't give a damn if you want to keep it in the original para. Seriously boy, does it look nice in the top?? Already its cramped and ugly. Secret of success (Talk) 15:16, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Tch tch, someone needs a lesson in civility. Lynch7 15:48, 15 September 2011 (UTC)

Without commenting on specifics, Secret of success is correct that the lead contains the wrong information. The lead should focus on basic info about the city, not tout all of it's different awards/rankings. Take a look, for example, at Mineapolis, Stretford, and Chetwynd, British Columbia, all of which are featured articles on cities, for the ideal goal. Obviously, we don't need to hit that here, now, but the goal is not to list trivialities like which companies have headquarters there or the fact that they're ranked 6th out of 23 in some random survey. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:21, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

My dear Lynch, when did I act in an uncivilized manner? The words I used were not directed at anyone, and I did it with an intention to improve the article, so I expected no such comments here. Anyways, thanks for realizing my point. Hope this article reaches a respectable FA status soon. Secret of success (Talk) 05:35, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

My dear Sir, incivility need not be specifically directed. Nuff said about that. Lynch7 12:17, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Dear Qwyrxian i agree with you point for trivialities not to be discussed in lead section. and i have no objection with that.

• Very first my objection with Secret of success is see this edit of Secret of success, here he had deleted the sports persons names, Sania Mirza and Saina Nehwal and he did not turn to correct this edit again. thou they were already WP:AWB. Is it constructive edit???

Where as, As he is a regular contributor for this article, we expect from him to contribute in adding info in constructive manner. and not by removing the present accurate info.

• in this edit Secret of success argued to place Microsoft in lead infact he had reverted the edit and placed Microsoft in the lead section. and now placing it somewhere else. why playing with article?? Is it a constructive edit????
• Secondly: Secret of success had misunderstood by saying Microsoft is placed in a lead, where as now it is in the second paragraph same as in example of Chetwynd, British Columbia which writes in second paragraph, It is home to the weekly newspaper, the Chetwynd Echo, and a Northern Lights College campus. and Stretford speaks the subsequent development of the Trafford Park Industrial Estate in the north of the town, accelerated the industrialisation.
• As Microsoft is a globally celebrated company, To house Head office in the city, that to largest after its Redmond, Washington head office is a achievement in itself for the city.

regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 12:30, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Omer123hussain, I think you're misunderstanding. "Lead" means all of the paragraphs before the table of contents. That section of this article is excessive and should be trimmed. I leave it up to you all to figure out how to do that, although, as a small recommendation, I'd start by getting rid of one, two, or maybe even all of those "survey" results. Qwyrxian (talk) 12:55, 16 September 2011 (UTC)

Doubtful source

As I am confused, Can any one specifies if we can use this source, if No then why we should not use this source?? regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:47, 19 September 2011 (UTC)

No, it should not be used as a reference, because it's a not a reliable source. As much as I support the mission of the editors, it's really little more than a blog collective, with no indication that there is a reliable editorial staff vetting information, or any track record of notability. Very few online-only publications qualify as reliable sources. 05:08, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad is the second largest metropolitan area in India

I found one reference which clims Hyderabad, India is the second largest metropolitan area in India. Kindly see this. regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:04, 20 September 2011 (UTC) Or may be it can be used for any purpose in this article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:07, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

That's a borderline source. Columbia University, of course, is a highly prestigious university that has a very high academic reputation. However, that being said, the piece you're quoting from isn't an academic piece, it's basically an advertisement for an upcoming talk. There's no evidence that the claim was fact-checked (in fact, it's exactly the sort of thing where they may have pulled the info right out of Wikipedia). I'd much rather see something more authoritative than that. The references currently in the article for Hyderabad's size are much stronger. 05:16, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay, well please see this cnbcmagazine.com source, it mostly speaks about the infrastructure, major IT firms and mostly what i beleive is we can use this source to correct the lead section. OR kindly advice if we can use this source for any other section. regards--Omer123hussain (talk) 05:41, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

If we want to make it GA, its better if we try avoiding the addition of random achievements made by the city. Stick to the info given and after it passes FA and if we still have a reliable source, then we'll add it. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:13, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

May be i am not clear here, What I mean is if we can use the tone/contents of the above source in our own words to write the intro section, as we can see they had used good tone to introduce the city for whome they are going to write about in there intro section of the article.--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Also, the content in the link is not accurate enough, though CNBC is a prestigious source. The info about Hyd being the second largest IT exporter and having the second largest film industry are dubicious enough without verification from a third party source. So, do not take it into account. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:17, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay no problem the source is quite old also, any way, any one please chcek if we can use this source , may be in economy or gdp or any sort of development purpose.--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:54, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Instead of asking confirmation for each source, read WP:RS. And no, that source is not reliable. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 10:06, 20 September 2011 (UTC)

Secret of success's point above is good: don't worry about all of these rankings. Honestly, strip them all out unless they are very current (this year or last), are very important, and very well sourced. Qwyrxian (talk) 00:11, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Delhi and Mumbai are hands down the largest metropolitan areas in population and GDP. Unless there was such major growth that would suggest this which is highly unlikely based on the other reliable sources being used, then a source that suggests Hyderabad is larger than either of the two is most likely an unreliable source. Elockid ^(Talk) 00:40, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

"Large" refers to area based classification. Mumbai may be more populous but Hyderabad and Bangalore are larger in area, much much larger. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 15:54, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I did specify what large means. However, the source that states Hyderabad is the second largest metropolitan area is ambiguous. It does not give a definition, so area and population are both possibilities. It doesn't really even imply which one it is. To add to the problem, the term large when referred to population centers commonly refers to population, not really area. Elockid (Alternate) ^(Talk) 16:06, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Well, that's it about the sources then I guess. Just make sure to remove Original content if all the sources fail to verify the info. The next step should be Copyediting. There are lot of points to be noted in the article from the link. If you agree, I'll start with the process. I also suggest Wp:Mos be verified with this article. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 15:58, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Though the source might be reliable we cannot go with a single source. We rank cities by population and not by area. Most of the Indian cities do not define the area of their urban agglomerations. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 16:19, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

I second that. Area is very unclear in its definition. Lynch7 16:22, 21 September 2011 (UTC)

Archive

This page is too long. Someone plz archive it. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 15:30, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Media

Want to arrange the section Media in systematic order as,

Theater

Print media

Radio

Movie/film industry

Television

and need to reduce the size by removing the list of newspapers, studios, mobile companies and TV channels.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:34, 23 September 2011 (UTC)

Yes, I agree to that. The section is apparently too long and as far as I know, no other Indian city has such a long and trivial section. Points I wish to highlight are

The studios do not need mention, giving emphasis to Ramoji would be enough.

There is no support for the HIFF statement. That also doesn't seem notable, so we should remove it if everyone agrees.

Multiplexes do not need any mention.

The statement that the Deccan times was established in 1780 has an unreliable reference.

Other than that, just be sure to reduce the list to highlight only the most notable newspapers, channels and telephone line operators. Awaiting response! Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:34, 24 September 2011 (UTC)

Very first sorry for delay in reply,

Okay, then we can proceed altering the section media. Regarding The Deccan Times i would say that (the author is well recognized globally, most important he wrote many books related to Hyderabad earliest history) any way i will look into the other sources, actually there are plenty of claims to be the earliest news papers in hyderabad deccan, Probably there are very few sources about The Deccan Times as it did not survived for long in hyderabad deccan. The strange part is we could not get access to most of the authentic researched/historical books. Any way we will do our best to bring the most authentic source. And well after this all i believe in the end we should dig into the History section. regards,--Omer123hussain (talk) 18:43, 25 September 2011 (UTC)

Archving

As Secret of Success has requested archiving, I would like to set an auto archive for the page, set to archive any discussion older than 30 days. I need consensus to do this. Do indicate your opinion. Lynch7 08:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

• Support, as the one who proposed this. Lynch7 08:39, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support, as requested earlier.Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)
• Support the idea. Is it OK if we can make it for 60 days instead of 30, Because there are very few discussion on the talk page.regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:30, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Err. I have already set the auto config on 26 September but I have set the time to 60 days, feel free to change it if required. And on 27th, the bot archived part of the talk page. — Abhishek  ^Talk 13:47, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

You should get consensus for archiving ;) Though I don't know why exactly its needed, The notice says so :P Lynch7 20:27, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Okay,regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 20:11, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Consensus for archiving? :O BTW Archive 1 and 2 already existed before I set the auto archive. :D — Abhishek  ^Talk 03:39, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad, India or Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh

Prior to partition there were two major Hyderabads in India. Hyderabad, Deccan & Hyderabad, Sindh. After the partition one went to Pakistan & another went to India. Therefore this article should be called Hyderabad, India s per general consenus accepted here. Sarvagyana guru (talk) 04:04, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Then what about Hyderabad, Uttar Pradesh? Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 05:26, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Thats why I used the word Major Hyderabads. When we refer to Moscow, the first thing that comes to our mind is Moscow,Russia but there is a Moscow in Kottayam (see Moscow, India) also many Moscows in USA and also a Moscow in Scotland. Similarly when we refer to Hyderabad in India, by default it means The Hyderabad in Andhra Pradesh. There is no need to specify whether it is in Uttar Pradesh or Bengal or Madhya Pradesh.Sarvagyana guru (talk) 05:55, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I support Hyderabad, India to be remain as it is, even other encyclopedia here here, here, uses the name Hyderabad, India to refer. Any way this topic had already came to an consensus earler here on this same talk page.regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 11:24, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

If your views are to be taken into account, then renaming the page to Hyderabad would be logical. The Pakistan Hyd is not as important as this one. In other words, "Hyderabad, India" is exactly the title the page shouldn't have i.e it should be "Hyd, Andhra" or just Hyd. The title plays an important role in the article's GA review. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 07:54, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The Pakistani Hyderabad is not a minor city. It is quite a big place, and making this just Hyderabad would be grossly inappropriate. On the other hand, taking into account all the other minor Hyderabads would also be inappropriate, since this is the Hyderabad that is most prominent. Its no big deal, really, since Hyderabad goes to a dab page which lists all of them. Lynch7 10:07, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Semi protected

Is it okay if we request this article for semi-protection.--Omer123hussain (talk) 13:40, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

I think so, but for what time and reason? Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 13:51, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Such a request would almost certainly be declined (I know I would decline it if I saw it)--there hasn't been enough vandalism recently to justify semi-protection. Qwyrxian (talk) 13:55, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad is India's most corrupted city?

I happened to come across this report by the TOI published in 2001 claiming that Hyderabad is India's most corrupted city. Another link, surveying bribery within major Indian cities and seemingly reliable, published more recently puts Bangalore on top followed by Hyderabad, Mumbai, Chennai, Pune, New Delhi, Kolkata, etc. I'm not sure if bribery forms a major role in explaining corruption but we seem to have a somewhat detailed picture of the corruption present in the major Indian cities. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 08:37, 3 October 2011 (UTC)

Repetative edit

As it had already came to consensus above in the same talk page, not to add the "second largest agglomerate unless with more dedicated source", I Reverted edit 453860860 by User:Chitransh Gaurav. Shall discuss again if required, before adding it again I advice if we can come up more authentic sources, regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 15:09, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

Sister Cities

Does Hyderabad really have 16 sister cities? As per international talks and business scale, the city is ranked 4th or 5th in India. Bangalore and Chennai have hardly 3 or 4 sister cities, despite more international work demand compared to the city of pearls. Mumbai has 6 relationships with foreign cities. I find this hard to believe and nor would any other editor. Can someone find third-party sources for the section? Otherwise, the data is likely to be challenged and removed after consensus. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 07:10, 27 September 2011 (UTC)

Do define "Third party" sources. Lynch7 08:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Removal of material with references cannot be done without consensus, just because you feel it hard to believe. Lynch7 08:28, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I apologize, I meant "after consensus". Third party sources meant those which satisfied Wp:RS and those sites which were non-promotional (along with present ones). Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:14, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I think this is the one you are objecting to. This is a news source, and unless a contradicting source can be found, then alone can the reliability of this be questioned. Lynch7 09:57, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

Unless of course, the source is independently found to be inaccurate, or blacklisted. Though, I do find it a bit fishy that there are so many listed (not challenging it). In any case, I think the table is too big, and gives too much importance to sister cities. How about reducing column and row widths and left aligning the table? Lynch7 10:03, 30 September 2011 (UTC)

I got a contradicting source from the official site of USA's sister city directory. Just select India and hit search. A table is revealed which says that Hyd has only 1 sister city and 1 friendship city in the US, while 4 are listed in the page. What do you think? Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:05, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

The problem is that all sister cities need not be listed there. It is not necessarily an authoritative listing. See the listing of Toledo in the page, and the corresponding ref. The ref seems genuine. Since Riverside, CA and Indy are confirmed, and Toledo is confirmed by a different ref, Orlando is the only one missing a good ref. I think we should let it stay, till an opposing source comes forward. Lynch7 09:28, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Hyderabad seems like an exception. For Mumbai, Chennai, Bangalore, etc. all sister cities are listed. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:32, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Brisbane has been confirmed by the official site, but Ipswich, unfortunately doesn't even mention India in its list of sister cities. Maybe that pact isn't that of a sister city but as I said earlier, unofficial friendship or support agreements. The media seems to have been mistaken about it. The source for Miyoshi (Japan) specifically says that it is a friendship pact but also says that both are the same, unlike USA's website which distinguishes between the two terms. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 10:00, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The problem is that the term "Sister city" is very loosely defined. There is an agency, Sister Cities International, which monitors some of them, but that's basically where it ends. Cities may separately make agreements, as in the case of Toledo here I guess, and still get no official mention on the network. Lynch7 10:02, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Yet, with such a confusing terminology why don't we try changing the references so that it is given by their official site only, just like Guinness records being stated by the book or the official site only. I'm still not satisfied with the AP news site. Seems more like a promotional one. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 12:11, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

We had this problem with something called as Global city, namely, who are a group of people to decide what is called as a "Sister city", and what is not? There is no official monopoly of SCI over international bilateral metropolitan agreements. About the news article, that's a general online news article, and unless it is blatant promotion, it should stay. It should not be disqualified solely because it is an article from AP, or because it "looks fishy". Lynch7 12:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not questioning the site just because it looks fishy or because its from AP. It doesn't seem to satisfy the notability guideline (something which all reliable news sites follow) and its alexa ranking is more than 1,00,000.Secret of success^{Talk to me} 13:13, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Notability guideline for websites? Lynch7 14:16, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I meant that if it is a recognized organization as it seems rather than a plain website, it should be notable. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 14:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

That seems rather a vague and subjective definition for the notability of a website. If there is something specifically objectionable against this website, then state it. I'm not saying that this is necessarily a good source; I am just saying that it cannot be removed just on the pretense that it might be a bad source. I agree that I'd prefer a CNN or a BBC source any day over this. But in absence of that, this doesn't seem so bad. Lynch7 15:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

All right, the main complaints about the site are that

• In the about us link, they list a team of unnotable people. Don't get me wrong, but every other known news media has a gang much bigger than the ones listed. One person works for a whole section which includes data collected from a large no. of sources. This makes the organization unexperienced (started in 2009 and still they have hardly 10 members working for the site). Each one is a doctor, a scientist, etc. But individual work from random fellows is not reliable.
• The news media is designed and developed by a private and unheard-of company called MakSoft, rather than fully giving editorial control to the individuals who own the site.

These are my two concerns about the site. If you do have good sources out there, then why go for such an unconvincing one?? Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 15:56, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm not saying that this is the best site available. Don't get me wrong. And oh come on, you can't discredit it because a private company designed their website and manages it! Anyway, see this. Orlando has only 9 official int'l partnerships, and Hyderabad is not one among them. So we can very safely establish that neither Ipswich nor Orlando has any partnerships with Hyderabad. Lynch7 16:20, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

That is my point! If the official site doesn't say so, then what more proof do you need??! Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:25, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

That was not your point. You showed me the official website of SCI. SCI is not a governing authority on Sister Cities. Lynch7 16:43, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Anyway, if you think that was your point, so be it. As long as the article is properly referenced. Lynch7 16:45, 1 October 2011 (UTC)

Lol..This was some discussion we had here. :D Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 12:31, 2 October 2011 (UTC)

Very first A sister city could be a MoU as twin town , a co-ordination and co-operation of cultural / economical/ medical /tourism, Etc. The source you are challenging is a news site, and simply they cannot claims such status internationally.

Any way please understand that, It is common practise, there are no written laws/constitution and agreement as sister cities, rater they (cities) agree by signing MoU for certain coordiantion which in general terms considered as Sister cities agreement.

Well I will look into it and provide the more more authentic source. :) regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 09:37, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I have already stated a point. Most of the cities mentioned in that link are not mentioned in the official site. Those seven cities I have mentioned in ur talk, don't seem to have relations with Hyd at all!!! Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 15:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Chowmohalla Palace Image

Chowmohalla palace image, according to me don't give the intro of the city. In Introductory image galleries of other cities, the skyline of the city is definitely added, whereas hydbad, dont have such images. Please attend. --Chyttreansch 09:02, 4 October 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chitransh Gaurav (talk • contribs)

Firstly, Welcome to Hyderabad, India:),

Currently the most important requirement is organizing the article and info with authentic sources, rather images. Any way Chowmohalla Palace is most architectural monument of the city, And the only palace of its category in India which had been recognized and awarded by UNISCO. And after Charminar it is considered (by international tourists) as a historical structure of the city.regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 14:45, 4 October 2011 (UTC)

I agree that the chowmohalla palace doesn't in any way serve the purpose of introducing the city and if you look above, I had made a request to change the image as it depicts only the main hall without giving a proper external view making it useless. Three images are good enough for a montage, but if you want a fourth one, this or a pic of one of the stadium's in the city might serve as an appropriate replacement. I have uploaded a new one here. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 06:26, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, if you are telling about the current image I agree with you, and we shall replace it with some better image of Chowmohalla palace. But removing it from montage is not advicable as the palace has lot of historical importance, indlucing the royal seat, regularly visited by british indian princes, viceroys and as told above, :) regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:14, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

We have already mentioned the Falaknuma palace and if you want you can add the chowmohalla image in that section but not in the montage. A montage is meant for introducing the city. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 08:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks and appriciate for your prompt responce, It is not I want or you want, it should be what WP policy says.

The reason why I am supporting Chowmahalla palace is because it is the only palace in India awarded by UNISCO for its unique purpose, which in itself is a good introduction of the city for national and International exposure, But yes I agree we shall replace it with another image of the palace, :) regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:55, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Editing lead section

Made some corrections in lead section as per previous advices from active editors and admin. Kidly advice if any more correction is required in lead section.--Omer123hussain (talk) 06:24, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Yes, a hell lot of changes, mind you. After we get consensus, remove the following points:

• The city ranked nineteenth in the world in The list of 41 Places to Go in 2011.[5][10] and fourth best city to live in India.[11]
• Hyderabad houses Google India's largest facility and Microsoft's biggest R&D facility outside the USA,[12][13]
• In 2008, the city's prime residential realestate reached the highest growth percentage in India.[15]

The city had developed a unique culture that is reflected in its life style, language and architecture.[7][8] -- Sources don't seem to support the statement. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 06:31, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

You can later put them in the appropriate sections. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 06:53, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Replying to your query on my page: it was already discussed and we all came to consensus above that lead section has to be organized.

Secondly: Somebody need to take initiative to organize the thins, So I took it :), though it will have to face some objections.(But at least article will get organized after some corrections).

make sure, If you are talking about the lead section, I did not add any info except one sentence to make the statement appropriate. And the sources you are pointing were existing prior to my edit and I wonder how you did not find it un supportive earlier. regards:).--Omer123hussain (talk) 08:03, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I never doubted the sources in any way. I just wanted to move the sentences to other sections from the lead. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 08:18, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Why you people always focus on bringing in claims like "Hyd is rated nth largest in X". Don't give over weightage for these kinds of stuff. There is a lot of stuff that can be added about this city. --Commander _{(Ping Me)} 16:06, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

That's exactly what I am saying. The rankings and achievements should be moved to the sub-sections of the article, as discussed earlier. But Omer here, seems to be emphasizing on the achievements with the justification that they form the basic structure and functional importance of the city. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:10, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

I have shortened the lead for now, but please don't mess it up again without getting consensus here. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 16:31, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Did you follow/implemented the same for what you are asking for??? --Omer123hussain (talk) 21:52, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

The lead section of chennai city article contains 21 lines while that of Hyderabad has been limted to 15. the chennai article lead section is only full of demographics and rankings while Hyderabad's lead section is being censored continuously although sources are being provided....there is no consistency at all although the main editors are the same....please stop the double standardsRevharder (talk) 17:33, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

Dear User:Secret of success can you point any one single instant where I had emphasizing or insisted to place the ranking of city since the Qxy asked not to do so???

Here i smell double standard in your edits, where as you are regular contributor for FA article like Banglore in which the lead section clear states "Bangalore was inducted in the list of global cities and ranked as a "Beta World City" alongside cities such as Dallas, Miami, Boston, Kuwait City, Lima, Brasilia and Munich in the studies performed by the Globalization and World Cities Study Group and Network in 2008" and in Chennai it says "According to an A.C. Nielsen survey, Chennai is regarded as the second cleanest city in India.[7]" for which i dont see any objection from your end.

Where as in your previous edits you had consistently asked to follow the FA articles such Banglore etc. Please specify your views on this matter on the talk page of Banglore and Chennai,regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 21:49, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

please let the hyderabad article reflect its status similar to the chennai article. please explain your objection User:Secret of success Revharder (talk) 06:06, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Chennai's article has been subjected to many destructive edits making it a total mess ever since its second FA review in 2007, and we are proposing complete re-write. But Bangalore, on the other hand is one of the neatest and shortest (with all info properly organized) Indian city articles I have found till date (due to lesser vandals) , that's why I recommended it earlier!! And of course, I never said that placing rankings in the lead had been Omer's profession here. But after Qwyrxian emphasized it, it still lay there for ages, till I removed it yesterday. Plus, I don't think it would be wise to do any edit in the Chennai article without consensus, in any case I have moved the survey response to a sub-section for now. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:19, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Do not spoil the section tone and grammar

In this edit here User:Secret of success had simply cut and pasted the statement, which had spoiled the grammar and tone of the section. From next time please make sure that it does not repeat.--Omer123hussain (talk) 22:05, 5 October 2011 (UTC)

From what I can see, in general the article is poor in grammar at some places. Besides, there are some intricate details under a few sections which may not be required and may be suitable only to the main article. I can find nothing wrong with Secret of success' edit as mentioned above. — Abhishek  ^Talk 06:51, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Omer, I request you to be more specific with your complaints in future (what exactly the problem is) and Abhishek, thanks for the optimism! Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 09:00, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Well, I thought a simple hint is enough for you to realize, well I'll explain you in full detail.

• You asked here to move the information unless after consensus. Where as you broke your words and removed it without any consensus??? (Advice: be specific in your actions).
• See the section Economy grammar and tone standards before and after your edit. The gramatical tone had completely spoiled after your edit, which you had not fixed untill now.
• As you are a regular contributor on the articles of Banglore and Chennai what is your stand for the sources, ranking and XYZ surveys in the lead section of Chennai, thou its lead contain lot of out dated, un reliable, multiple survey results and ranking by unauthorized agencies?? You did not make any single objection for those all nor tried to provied the authentic source nor did you moved ranking information to related section, why?? (thou I agree lead should not be full of ranking and I proved it with my this edit, can you please prove any single instance where you asked to clean up/objected for the sources in Chennai lead with latest and authentic sources), and even banglore lead mentions some of the surveys and ranking.

Dear Abhi I agree with your words, that the article grammar in some places is not correct, and i understand it is due to contenious edits like here who does not fixes it later leaving it on the mercy of xyz to do, will defenately spoil the grammar. Regards, --Omer123hussain (talk) 10:32, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

Consensus has been reached long back when Qwryxian, Vensatry and myself along with a few more editors supported the move taking all rankings and achievements to the different sections. Since you also supported the move, why are you objecting it now? As for the economy section, I had to add some info before putting the NYT report there because there was no mention of tourism anywhere in the page and this seemed as the most appropriate section to take off the job. If grammar has been spoiled, I suggest a separate para for the category. Regarding Chennai, I have moved the survey results to a sub-section. Bangalore article seems good enough as of now, though I'd suggest moving the gamma and beta rankings to a sub-section like in Chennai. If you have any more queries, you are most welcome to put forward your statements. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 10:48, 6 October 2011 (UTC)

I'm still trying to be mostly uninvolved here, and I don't review GA nominations, but I do have to say that, if I did, I would require that all such survey results be removed from the lead. Putting them there definitely violates WP:UNDUE. The only things I would consider legitimate are very factual claims, like "3rd largest city" or "2nd largest economy" or something like that. But all of those subjective measurements about livability just aren't lead material (and I would just very carefully about whether they belong anywhere in the article, primarily based on who made the measurement). Qwyrxian (talk) 00:04, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. Then there is no need to remove the "second fastest growing metro" from the lead section in the Bangalore article. Secret of success ^{Talk to me} 11:46, 7 October 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Qwyrxian for sparing time with the article, our all efforts are to make the article meet the standards of FA and GA, and hope now the article meets the standards of FA and GA. Kindly have a look now and please provide the feedback for further.regards.--Omer123hussain (talk) 10:55, 8 October 2011 (UTC)