Talk:DeKalb Avenue station (BMT lines)

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I just left a comment at the Manhattan Bridge article. See my article on the 4Av line, http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/BMT_Fourth_Avenue_Line I have problems calling the tracks between DeKalb to or thru the Montague St tunnel as part of the 4Av line. --FourthAve 9 July 2005 04:06 (UTC)

Tracks in station

The article says:

"Until late April 1961, the station had only four tracks."

Not so. It was built with six tracks and has operated with six tracks since 1920. What was changed was the configuration of services and the location of major switching. -- Cecropia 02:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Station's Line

This station is not a part of the BMT Broadway Line. The station is shared with the BMT Brighton Line, as well as the BMT Fourth Avenue Line. This can be considered a station complex, where the station is served by more than one line. The aparpriate title should be DeKalb Avenue (New York City Subway). --imdanumber1 22:07, 5 September 2006 (UTC)

I agree. However, I see from the edit summary that the article was called DeKalb Avenue (New York City Subway) until April 2006. User:Larry V renamed it to DeKalb Avenue (BMT Broadway Line), with this edit summary:

(moved DeKalb Avenue (New York City Subway) to DeKalb Avenue (BMT Broadway Line): emergency exit info says "BMT Broadway Line"; also, must differentiate between this station and identically named station on the BMT Canarsie Line)

These do not seem like good reasons to me. The article on New York City Subway chaining makes very clear that this station is not on the Broadway Line. The emergency exit sign could be an error, and isn't sufficiently weighty evidence unless backed up with something else. The ambiguity with DeKalb Avenue (BMT Canarsie Line) could easily be resolved with a statement at the top of the article, "For the BMT Canarsie Line station, see...."

Having said that, I've a great respect for Larry V's contributions, and as the article has already been renamed once, we should make sure there's consensus before renaming it again. Marc Shepherd 13:40, 6 September 2006 (UTC)

We can discuss this further on WP:NYCS. --Imdanumber1 ( Talk | contribs) 12:36, 9 September 2006 (UTC)

Service history for the bypass

• 3a/T/B 1931?-1986? (rush hours)
• B 1986?-2001 (all but late nights)
• D 2004-present (all but late nights)
• 3b/TT 1916??-1931? (rush hours)
• 4/N 1915??-1986 (rush hours, later daytime, later weekdays, later all but nights, later rush hours)
• N 2004-present (all but late nights)
• 5a 1931-1959? (rush hours)

Requested move 6 May 2015

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The result of the move request was: not moved. Number 57 12:56, 6 June 2015 (UTC)

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DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line) → DeKalb Avenue (BMT Brighton / Fourth Avenue Lines) – I think this is correct name because the station is shared by two lines. Nicolas Love (talk) 22:15, 6 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose MOS:SLASH/WP:SUBPAGE -- avoid slashes whenever possible, since they create problems with talk pages appearing as subpages, internet uses slashes to indicate subpaging, and it's bad form, when it's the disambiguator, it clearly isn't needed, there's nothing actually called "BMT Brighton / Fourth Avenue Lines", since this is an intersection of two lines, and not a particular identity in and of itself. One usually uses an "and" for such occassions. -- 65.94.43.89 (talk) 23:19, 8 May 2015 (UTC)
• I agree with the problem, but not with the solution. There are several articles about NYC Subway stations serving more than one line each, and their names are:
  • Coney Island – Stillwell Avenue (New York City Subway)
  • Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway)
  • Queensboro Plaza (New York City Subway)
  • West Eighth Street – New York Aquarium (New York City Subway)
  • West Fourth Street – Washington Square (New York City Subway)

So, the disambiguator is "New York City Subway." Also, there are other articles about stations serving more than one line each, and they need renaming:

• • 145th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)
  • 50th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line)
  • DeKalb Avenue (BMT Fourth Avenue Line)
  • Prospect Park (BMT Brighton Line)
  • Seventh Avenue (IND Queens Boulevard Line)

I propose to change the disambiguator of all these to "New York City Subway." Vcohen (talk) 08:25, 9 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per MOS:SLASH; it is also a very unwieldy name for a station complex. Maybe this can be changed to DeKalb Avenue (New York City Subway), per Vcohen's reasoning.
  Additionally, there is a separate DeKalb Avenue (BMT Canarsie Line) station, just as there is an article on the Canal Street (New York City Subway) station complex despite the existence of the separate Canal Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line) and Canal Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) stations. If renames for the 145th Street, 50th Street, Prospect Park, and Seventh Avenue articles were to happen, they would follow the same logic. Epic Genius (talk) 14:58, 9 May 2015 (UTC)
• Oppose, per Vcohen and Epic Genius. I'm open to Vcohen's suggestion, but I also wonder if that would mean we'd have to rename 135th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line), since the IRT White Plains Road Line branches off north of there, as well as 96th Street (IRT Broadway – Seventh Avenue Line) since the IRT Lenox Avenue Line branches off north of there, or East 180th Street (IRT White Plains Road Line) because the IRT Dyre Avenue Line branches off northeast from there. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 04:33, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

My list of 5 articles is full. I want article names to be consistent with lines named in infoboxes. For example, the infobox of 96th Street shows the station as serving one line, therefore the article does not need renaming. Vcohen (talk) 07:09, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Personally, I think that the first and last articles on Vcohen's list should be renamed 145th Street (IND Lines) and Seventh Avenue (IND Lines), because they are the only such named stations in the IND. Epic Genius (talk) 16:20, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Yes, it's a suitable option. Are you sure there are no such cases among the other 8 articles? Vcohen (talk) 19:21, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

West Fourth Street – Washington Square (New York City Subway) and Hoyt–Schermerhorn Streets (New York City Subway) could also be renamed, but since they are the only such named stations in the subway system, the disambiguator "IND Lines" is not needed here. By contrast, for 145th Street (IND Lines) and Seventh Avenue (IND Lines), we have 145th Street (IRT Lenox Avenue Line) and Seventh Avenue (BMT Brighton Line), for example, as well. Epic Genius (talk) 19:53, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

OK. Vcohen (talk) 20:18, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

@Epicgenius:, Those are some pretty interesting suggestions. I think I can live with something like 145th Street (IND Lines) and Seventh Avenue (IND Lines). In the meantime, over in the commons, I've actually considered splitting the category "Jay Street – MetroTech (IND lines)" between the Fulton Street Lines, and the Culver Line. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 22:54, 11 May 2015 (UTC)

Now that I think of it, 50th Street (IND Lines) would also be reasonable for 50th Street (IND Eighth Avenue Line), but for the fact that we have 47th–50th Streets – Rockefeller Center (IND Sixth Avenue Line). Epic Genius (talk) 12:40, 12 May 2015 (UTC)

• Oppose. Per WP:USSTATION it should be DeKalb Avenue station (xxx). As for the parentheses, the only real reason it's there is to distinguish from the other DeKalb Avenue station at DeKalb Avenue (BMT Canarsie Line). The current title adequately does that; the other line that runs through the station is dealt with in the article body.--Cúchullain ^t/c 19:26, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Thank you very much for this discussion. It is very interesting.
It is impossible to rename this article to DeKalb Avenue (New York City Subway) because we already have DeKalb Avenue (BMT Canarsie Line).
I strongly suggest to rename this article to DeKalb Avenue (BMT Brighton / Fourth Avenue Lines). This name is the closest to the reality. But if you still disagree for some reasons and do not want to use this name, then it would be better to rename it to DeKalb Avenue (BMT Brighton Line). B and Q trains of BMT Brighton Line stop at this station during regular service, and only R trains of BMT Fourth Avenue Line stop there.
In all cases the current name of the article should be changed. Nicolas Love (talk) 05:29, 2 June 2015 (UTC)

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