Talk:College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering

Removed dubious claim

I have removed the sentence

CNSE is said to be "the first educational institution dedicated solely to the research and development of nanotechnology."

which was actually claiming "first and only" before, but was tweaked. It is self-contradictory (college solely dedicated to research) and factually incorrect. There are numerous earlier nanotech institutions, such as

• Amity Institute of Nanotechnology. Their informational page here states a founding date of November 2003, offering an M. Tech. in Nanotechnology, reported on in this story and this story from the India Times. Amity's site also provides a substantial list of published research here.
• [1]. Materialscientist (talk) 00:47, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

May end up being first in the US; might have to be more specific as to what it's first in. Some say R&D, some say college-level degree program. I've asked the main author to comment here. However, after doing some google searches, it seems the first in the US claim is accurate:

• "the first of its kind in the U. S."
• "the first college in the world devoted exclusively to the research, development and deployment of innovative nanoscience, nanoengineering, nanobioscience and nanoeconomic concepts"
• "first college-level education program in nanotechnology in the United States"

upstateNYer 03:03, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

First is vague, second incorrect, third sounds accurate (not guaranteed, thus I would use "according to the US National Nanotechnology Initiative website ..". Materialscientist (talk) 03:30, 29 April 2011 (UTC)

References

Too much jargon and politi-speak

There is too much jargon in this article for the average reader; there is enough where reading it becomes unclear. We must also remember this is a college first, and I will make this article neutral in tone. Buffaboy ^talk 22:40, 15 November 2015 (UTC)

Requested move 20 November 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering. Per consensus. (closed by non-admin page mover) – robertsky (talk) 11:56, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

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SUNY Poly College of Nanoscale Science and Engineering → College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering (CNSE) – The official name of the college has been changed to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering. one of official references can be found: https://www.albany.edu/news-center/news/2023-ualbany-launches-college-nanotechnology-science-engineering+MinervaKnows (talk) 15:32, 20 November 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). --Ahecht (talk) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Does it still have SUNY somewhere in its official name? That has long been the case for affiliated colleges in the SUNY system, though it's possible that they're changing the tradition. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 15:45, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

CNSE is no longer affiliated with SUNY Poly. It's now a college within the University at Albany. How about College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering (CNSE) at UAlbany. More sources: https://www.timesunion.com/education/article/suny-poly-s-nanotech-college-returns-ualbany-fold-18299392.php — Preceding unsigned comment added by MinervaKnows (talk • contribs) 15:57, 20 Nov 2023 (UTC)

• Comments. There is no article for the pre-existing CEAS at UAlbany. The only other UAlbany college to have a standalone article is named for somebody—the Rockefeller College of Public Affairs & Policy—so there is no precedent to follow for naming style. —C.Fred (talk) 16:04, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Correct, there is no article. CEAS is referenced here: https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/University_at_Albany,_SUNY. Ultimately, I just want to change the title because CNSE is no longer affiliated with SUNY Poly. If that means the CNSE article is merged to University at Albany, SUNY article that's also fine. MinervaKnows (talk) 16:36, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for the further info. My personal recommendation is to move the title to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering (without acronym) and then to introduce the college as affiliated with Univ. at Albany, as in the Rockefeller College article mentioned above. Note that Wikipedia articles don't typically have acronyms in the titles; see University of Southern California or University of California, Los Angeles. ---DOOMSDAYER520 (TALK|CONTRIBS) 17:27, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

"It's now a college within the University at Albany" and "UAlbany" appear to refer to University at Albany, SUNY, which is part of the SUNY system. "UAlbany" is somewhat unusual styling and is not used for the title of the article about the parent university. Abbreviations are never put in brackets in article titles. College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering seems reasonable, but this discussion may involve too many considerations to be dealt with here and should become a regular RM. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:15, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

I'm still learning the ropes here. I am OK with the name you suggested but how should I go about making this a regular RM? MinervaKnows (talk) 18:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

@MinervaKnows: I've gone ahead and moved this discussion to the talk page of the article for you. --Ahecht (TALK
PAGE) 20:52, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

Support move to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering. It is possible that in the future some other university will create its own College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering and we'll need to disambiguate it somehow, but that's something we deal with when that happens. I don't think a merge into University at Albany, SUNY is appropriate, as we would have to splitting some information to SUNY Poly, and it would be awkward to have the information about this college in two places. Apocheir (talk) 21:34, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose as proposed. Neutral about move to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering, but certainly not with the abbreviation included. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:42, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support move to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering. Since there is no longer any affiliation with SUNY Poly it makes most sense to remove the SUNY Poly reference from the article title.

MinervaKnows (talk) 21:04, 21 November 2023 (UTC)

Support move to College of Nanotechnology, Science, and Engineering. Current SUNY Poly name is now obsolete. Walkerma (talk) 01:31, 28 November 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.