Talk:Chinese art by medium and technique

Article title

I'm not sure what the correct article title should be. It's different from Chinese art, which is the history of Chinese art. Some options could be:

• Chinese art and folk art
• Types of Chinese art--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:23, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

This discussion will likely also be impacted by the discussion about merging the articles.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm going to move the article to Chinese visual arts, I think that should work fine.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Merge with Chinese folk art

It seems like the categories and items in the Chinese folk art section mimic what is in the Chinese folk art article. Should these articles be merged? If so, which way?--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I think we can merge it with folk art, but split it into imperial art and folk art based on the purposes. What do you think? -- RexRowan  Talk  17:35, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ok, I'll go ahead and pull information over there - and then add a "see also" to Chinese folk art--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:44, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Great! As far as I know, there used to be famous appointed workshops all over the empire that supply their specialties to the palace for imperial use or given as gifts by the emperor to his subjects. I think there was even a pottery place inside the forbidden palace. Have to check them out. But that's the concept. For example, the little sugar or flour figures were considered not grand enough to displace in a grand elegant place, such as the main room in a big house hold. -- RexRowan  Talk  17:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Ah, interesting!--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Thank you for moving house! :D -- RexRowan  Talk  18:10, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

If we get rid of the folk art then shall we move house again to Chinese Imperial art? -- RexRowan  Talk  18:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

That might be a good idea - let me check around (google, etc.) I'll be right back about that.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:26, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I think "Chinese fine art" might be a better distinction to folk art - and more inclusive. What do you think?--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure, I said that because in the antiques market, same item from the same period, if it's made for the imperial court, it becomes priceless while the rest may not score very high. -- RexRowan  Talk  18:34, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You may want to have a "Background" section that discusses that the Imperial art is the most valuable form of fine art in China - or something to that affect.--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:38, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, funny, I was fixing the links to the article page - and I found out someone wanted to create an article titled "Chinese fine art" - cool!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Wow, competition here is stronger than Las Vegas. -- RexRowan  Talk  18:46, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You're funny! And, it's interesting (based on your comment on my talk page) to know you're a woman, too! I was thinking you were a guy. I so rarely work with women. I'm glad to be working with you!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:48, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I have autism, my brain does not understand sex and racial differences, socially blind. :D -- RexRowan  Talk  18:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I like that! Really seeing someone's soul rather than the physical exterior! Good!--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Links to this article

I did a search on "Chinese fine art" (see here) and it looks like there will be other opportunities to link other articles to this article, which will give it much more exposure.

Once the article moves along a bit more, it would be good to see what articles are best suited to link to this article. In the meantime, carry on - good work! In the meantime, I'm going to get back to our two "Night in paintings".--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:53, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

By the way, you can see what articles link to this article from here: Special:WhatLinksHere/Chinese_fine_art. I put some links in so it's not an orphan--CaroleHenson (talk) 18:54, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Oh, so that's what orphan means. Sorry, I'm a newbie, still puzzled by most terms. :D -- RexRowan  Talk  18:59, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I put a link to "WP:orphan" in my note above, but it means that there are no other articles that link to it. Since Wikipedia is all about being able to leapfrog to other articles to get more indepth or background info - being an orphan is a lonely Wikipedia experience, if you know what I mean.--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:02, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, I wrote an article called Ysgol Y Fro, an editor put an orphan sticker on it, I didn't know what to do. :D -- RexRowan  Talk  19:04, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

It might be able to link to Carmarthenshire or lists of schools, primary schools, private schools or Christian schools in Wales. It won't take but a minute so I'm going to make a bit of copy edit there - and scope out a link opportunity before I return to "Night in paintings."--CaroleHenson (talk) 19:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Clothing

Clothing in and of itself is not a fine art. There may be elements, though that are a fine art - but it would be better to get a non-clothing type example for more direct information, such as embroidery, etc.

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  This 6¾ foot long Western Han painting on silk was found draped over the coffin in the grave of Lady Dai (c. 168 BC) at Mawangdui near Changsha in Hunan province, China.
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  English: Chinese embroidered silk lady's jacket and pleated skirt, c. 1900, East-West Center, Honolulu
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  Chinese shoe for bound foot, 18th century. Musées du château des Rohan, Musée Louise Weiss, Saverne, France.
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  Chinese summer court robe ("dragon robe"), c. 1890s, silk gauze couched in gold thread, East-West Center
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  Dragon robe of Chinese Emperor Qianlong (1736-1796), 18th century, Grassi Museum, Leipzig, Germany
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  man's formal court robe (chaopao), Creation date late 1700s, Qing dynasty
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  Woman's summer robe, silk gauze, approx. 1875-1900, Qing Dynasty. On display at the Asian Art Musem of San Francisco.
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  Agate belt hook (1700-50) on display at the Asian Art Museum in San Francisco, California.
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  Woman's semiformal court coat; China, Qing dynasty (1644–1923), 19th century, silk and metal-wrapped yarns, Dallas Museum of Art, Dallas, Texas

Ok, I think there's one :D -- RexRowan  Talk  15:22, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Fine art sculpture

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  Qilin-shaped incense burner (17th-18th centuries) on display at the Iris & B. Gerald Cantor Center for Visual Arts on the Stanford University campus in Stanford, California.

These aren't really fine art sculptures.

Engraving

Not sure about this one so I put it here:

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  A golden canteen made during the Chinese Ming Dynasty, dated 15th century, Freer and Sackler Galleries, Washington D.C.

Wow, that's beautiful. I think that would be considered a "sculptural" item. Do you want to start a new section under sculpture, either titled "Precious metal engraving" or "Gold engraving"?--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:14, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Or, you could just make it ==Engraving==. Either way.--CaroleHenson (talk) 17:15, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Sure! :D -- RexRowan  Talk  17:16, 29 August 2012 (UTC)

Frame painting

I've moved "Frame painted" over here for a couple of reasons, most of which deal with notability:

• Painted frames is not a category that I'm finding for museum art
• I'm not finding content or sources for information for this section.
• There are no related images in commons for painted frames, except Western art.

Here's the content and tag from that section: Zhuang Biao is an artist who created painted frames.{{Improve|reason=provide information about why this section is in here|date=August 2012}}

In addition, there's no article for Painted frames, which seems to be where the topic should go. It doesn't seem to me that the article, painted frames would be so large that it warrants a number of smaller articles about the topic. But that's just my thought about that.

Are you interested in starting an article about painted frames, covering both eastern and western art practices, and we could have a link to that article from this article's "see also" section? Otherwise, I say we drop it for the moment due to notability issues.--CaroleHenson (talk) 00:06, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Drop it, the frame itself is rarely painted. The eastern versions use coloured fabric to seal the paintings in with glue. -- RexRowan  Talk  09:31, 31 August 2012 (UTC)