Talk:Cayn

Somaliland recognized Cayn?

@Binglebarry: I saw your edit. As far as I know, Somaliland government denies that there is a regional division called Cayn. But your edit makes it "Cayn or Ayn is an administrative region that Somaliland declared to be founded in the 2000s." If the Somaliland government sees your edit, they will probably be surprised. Do you have any sources to substantiate this statement? Freetrashbox (talk) 10:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

Im not too sure why "If the Somaliland government sees your edit, they will probably be surprised." is relevant at all. Also you would also have to bring sources for where you say "Somaliland government denies that there is a regional division called Cayn. But your edit makes it "Cayn or Ayn is an administrative region that Somaliland declared to be founded in the 2000s."" What also surprised me is that many of your sources that say Cayn is controlled by the Somalian government are created by one man who happens to be a far right supporter of the "SCC" clan militia. Many of his own claims aren't supported by evidence nor proofs. Binglebarry (talk) 20:58, 1 February 2024 (UTC)

I did not say that Cayn is controlled by Somalia. (Nor do I deny it.) The original version I edited can be found at this link. (But not all are my descriptions. There are parts written by others that I don't agree with.) As written in this edition, Cayn is the area declared by Puntland. Although Puntland did not come up with the term Cayn, it was probably the first to consider making Cayn an administrative unit. This is also clearly stated in the book by Hoehne that I showed. In this sense, the statement that Cayn is an administrative district of Somalia is not accurate. It is an administrative division that Puntland has decided on its own. So, whether or not Somaliland controls Buuhoodle, it is completely wrong to say that "Cayn was founded by Somaliland". My recommendation to you is that if you say that Somaliland controls Cayn, then you should state with credible sources that "Cayn is a perfunctory administrative unit by Puntland and is effectively controlled by Somaliland as the Buuhoodle District". Freetrashbox (talk) 10:26, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

Please refer to actual government sources as Somaliland has definite control of majority of Cayn. And the rest is uncalled for or controlled by local clan militias.

http://www.somalilandlaw.com/Xeerka__wkb__Gobolada_iyo_Degmooyinka_2019SLLaw.pdf

http://www.somalilandlaw.com/local_government_law.htm Binglebarry (talk) 00:44, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

Somaliland government is not neutral on its own border issues. Sources unrelated to Somaliland (e.g., British or American sources) are needed. Freetrashbox (talk) 03:23, 3 February 2024 (UTC)

I have never heard of unrelated sources on relating matters from credible sources. If you would like to refer to some then do so. But as of now the Republic of Somalilands borders will stay the way they are. Binglebarry (talk) 21:37, 4 February 2024 (UTC)

If you don't have reliable sources, you can't write on Wikipedia. If you can't find a source unrelated to Somaliland/Somalia, then you could try to address the claims of Somaliland, Somalia, and Puntland in a fair manner. Freetrashbox (talk) 12:37, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

I am using the most reliable sources here as they are government documents. And the only documents created on this would follow. Please remember that you don't even have a bit of evidence nor proof to show your point. Binglebarry (talk) 00:01, 7 February 2024 (UTC)

The Somaliland border, as claimed by the Somaliland government, is not neutral. This is true not only for the Somaliland, but for all countries involved in the disputed area, even if they are major powers like the United States or the United Kingdom. Freetrashbox (talk) 11:36, 8 February 2024 (UTC)

I second this. I think @Binglebarry should not be using biased sources such as that of Somaliland. Replayerr (talk) 12:40, 9 February 2024 (UTC)

You can't bring sources from anywhere else on this that arrest bias. And no there are no faults in this source. Binglebarry (talk) 04:14, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Again, you are wrong on two points. (A) The Somaliland government clearly denies that there is an area called Cayn, and to the Somaliland government this is Buuhoodle district. It is absolutely impossible to say that Somaliland established Cayn. (B) This is disputed area between Somaliland and Puntland (and the Dhulbahante clan). It is a violation of WP:POV to address only the opinion of the Somaliland government. Freetrashbox (talk) 04:57, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

"The Somaliland government clearly denies that there is an area called Cayn" and "This is disputed area between Somaliland and Puntland" Good job contradicting yourself. Also no It is not a violation because the Somaliland government sources are the only reliable sources. Yes the Cayn district is controlled by Somaliland And other clan militias. However it is still considered occupied Somaliland territory as according the defined borders. Please try not to contradict yourself again. Binglebarry (talk) 06:33, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

You are incorrect as this is a half truth. Quoted from the WIKI article it states "In Somaliland, the Cayn territory is administrated as part of Togdheer region but it is legally part of Sool region. Article 11, section 1 of the amended Local Government Act which came into force in 2020 provides"(8)(9) Binglebarry (talk) 06:35, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Maybe Russian law states that the Crimean peninsula is Russian territory, by your logic, the Crimean peninsula is actually Russian territory. Do you think this is correct? Freetrashbox (talk) 08:09, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

I have no opinion on this matter. However I do know that Russia annexed Crimea. Annexation of Crimea by the Russian Federation Binglebarry (talk) 21:21, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

Crimea is inhabited by Russians, Tatars, and Ukrainians mostly. I can refer you to the Demographics of Crimea for more information. At the moment Crimea has been annexed by Russia and controlled militarily by them. I don't know your definition of when a territory becomes part of a country but I personally think it is occupied by Russia under the native Crimean tatars Binglebarry (talk) 21:28, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

On the other hand, Ukrainian law states that the Crimean peninsula is Ukrainian territory. In short, Russian and Ukrainian laws contradict each other. It is clear that whether the Crimean Peninsula is Russian or Ukrainian territory, it is not neutral just because it is a government-issued document. Freetrashbox (talk) 23:55, 10 February 2024 (UTC)