Talk:Cartimandua

Image

I see that this image of Cartimandua — who evidently shared her makeup artist with Mariah Carey or Scarlett Johansson — is of questionable provenance. It's under copyright, and fair use is argued; however, I doubt its encyclopedic value, as I see no information on the file page about its artist or period. It's perfectly acceptable to use canonical interpretations of ancient people or scenes in later artwork, as long as these are labeled as such, for instance a Neoclassical painting of a Socratic symposium. Such works and their artists have their own notability. This image has no information that would explain what sort of lens is filtering the subject. It's the work of one William Whitaker, who doesn't have his own article. I can't find any published scholarship on the work, not even a blog review.

Illustrations of this kind are a form of OR because they are interpretations; they differ from diagrams, maps, and so on that straightforwardly present information that can be verified. I cannot, for instance, produce my own artistic vision in acrylics of Vercingetorix surrendering to Julius Caesar and palm it off as an illustration for WIkipedia; that would be OR. But Royer's famous painting of this scene, correctly labeled, has its own historical interest and value. Without a provenance, this image of Cartimandua misleadingly suggests that it is a recreation of how a woman of Cartimandua's time and status might've looked, and as that I find it quite silly (no offense to the artist or the quality of his work!). Cynwolfe (talk) 20:22, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

I agree. I took this picture out of the Brigantes article because it looks like a modern recreation of a painting by some early 19th Century romantic on a visit to the Ottoman Empire. I'm not even sure that it's the same Cartimandua, or that the artist knew who she was. Paul S (talk) 10:38, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Now, if we actually had a painting by a 19th-century Romantic who was feeling Ottomanish, I'd be on board. If we don't hear a defense in a couple of days, I suppose we'd be justified in removing it? I think it should be deleted altogether from WP, as I don't think it meets the criteria for fair use. Cynwolfe (talk) 17:26, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

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Use BC dating like almost all British History articles of 1st Century

To put it simply, not using the AD/BC is not attributing our dates to those who invented them. Because without the churchmen who invented our current calendar we would neither have the calendar nor much of the early history from those like Bede and Gildas. (And before anyone cites religion - we don't get the same rubbish about July (after the god Julius), August, Wodens-day, Thors-day).

That I believe is why most sensible recognise their important contribution and use the AD/BC dating system. This article is an oddity. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.26.37 (talk) 14:27, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Ah yes, history would just vanish and without a calendar we wouldn't know what we should be doing when. No, despite your claims elsewhere, there's no rule that says British articles must be AD. I've told you we have a guideline on this. Doug Weller talk 17:04, 16 January 2017 (UTC)

Utterly agree with 82... Claverhouse (talk) 03:05, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

@Claverhouse: our opinions aren't enough, see WP:ERA. Doug Weller talk 09:32, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Archaeological Data About Cartimandua's Life and Times

This recent article in the Independent discusses an excavation in Scotch Corner, Yorkshire which has unearthed evidence of Roman - Briton cooperation much earlier than expected. The Scotch Corner article includes other links about the excavations, which seem to be ongoing at this writing. I suggest that a subject matter expert (or dilettante :-) ) might find more information for this and related articles by checking recent news. Enjoy! --Eliyahu S ^Talk 12:29, 17 December 2018 (UTC)

Aregwedd Foeddawg

She appears in Triad number 18 in the Trioedd Ynys Prydien but the authenticity of some of the triads may be in doubt itself, with some people suggesting a fake by Iolo Morgannwg. The name is obviously nothing like Cartimandua, although if the second element in her name does have something to do with horses or ponies, Aregwedd could be reconstructed as proto-Celtic *arewed- meaning "charioteer" but that would be original research of course... Paul S (talk) 22:49, 24 October 2019 (UTC)