Talk:Alamein line

Note regarding GA review: this article was marked as an invalid quick fail. For those who want to end up reviewing the article, I (HoHo3143) am ready to receive extensive feedback (if needed) and act upon it.

Hatnote

Removed "for other uses of Alamein" statement. going to "Alamein" brings up disambiguation page. Jackk 04:17, 14 November 2005 (UTC)

Formatting

Does the linebox sit off the side of the screen for anyone else? These little layout glitches are becoming annoying. Hypernovean 05:49, 9 Jun 2004 (UTC)

Alamein or Outer Circle??

I'm unsure as to when to say the Outer Circle line became the Alamein line:

• Camberwell to Ashburton closed on 1 May 1897 (current date of Outer Circle line closing)
• Camberwell to Ashburton reopened on 4 July 1898 (current date of Alamein line opening)
• Deepdene to Riversdale reopened on 14 May 1900 (part of Outer Circle line not Alamein)
• Camberwell to Ashburton electrified on 30 October 1924 (could this be the start of Alamein?)
• East Kew to Deepdene reopened on 11 February 1925 (part of Outer Circle line not Alamein)
• East Kew to Riversdale closed on 7 September 1943 (actual end of Outer Circle line)
• Ashburton to Alamein reopened on 28 June 1948

ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:07, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

This also affects if Hartwell, Willison & Roystead stations were on the Outer Circle line or just on the Alamein line. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 12:11, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter I'd say when Camberwell to Ashburton reopened (on 4 July 1898). Similar to when the Cranbourne line reopened in the 1990s. HoHo3143 (talk) 23:59, 18 February 2023 (UTC)

@HoHo3143 that would make the track diagram look like Alamein 2. The Outer Circle line will now need updating to remove things post 1898 like Roystead station. Alamein history will also need to cover the reopenings north of Riversdale to Deepdene / East Kew .

Alamein railway line
km Multiple lines via North Melbourne City Loop 1.2 Southern Cross ●●●●●●● 2.5 Flagstaff ●●● 3.1 Melbourne Central 4.3 Parliament ●● 0.0 Flinders Street ●● 0.1 Princes Bridge (closed) Hurstbridge & Mernda lines to Jolimont City Loop 1.8 Botanic Gardens (demolished) 2.3 Punt Road (Hoddle Highway) 2.6 Richmond ●●●●●●■ 2.7 Swan Street Cranbourne, Frankston, Pakenham & Sandringham lines to South Yarra 3.1 East Richmond ■■ 4.1 Burnley ●■ Glen Waverley line to Glen Waverley 4.6 Swan Street 4.9 Pic Nic (demolished) 5.0 Yarra River 5.7 Hawthorn ■ 5.8 Burwood Road 6.0 Power Street Kew line to Kew (dismantled) 6.8 Glenferrie Road 6.9 Glenferrie ■ 7.7 Auburn 8.9 Burke Road 9.0 Camberwell ●●■ Belgrave & Lilydale lines to Ringwood Outer Circle line to Fairfield (dismantled) 10.5 Riversdale ■ 10.6 Riversdale Road 10.9 Willison 12.1 Hartwell 12.5 Toorak Road (Burwood Highway) 12.9 Burwood ■ 14.2 Ashburton 14.4 High Street 14.9 Alamein Outer Circle line to Oakleigh (dismantled) km

Alamein railway line 2
km Multiple lines via North Melbourne City Loop 1.2 Southern Cross ●●●●●●● 2.5 Flagstaff ●●● 3.1 Melbourne Central 4.3 Parliament ●● 0.0 Flinders Street ●● 0.1 Princes Bridge (closed) Hurstbridge & Mernda lines to Jolimont City Loop 1.8 Botanic Gardens (demolished) 2.3 Punt Road (Hoddle Highway) 2.6 Richmond ●●●●●●■ 2.7 Swan Street Cranbourne, Frankston, Pakenham & Sandringham lines to South Yarra 3.1 East Richmond ■■ 4.1 Burnley ●■ Glen Waverley line to Glen Waverley 4.6 Swan Street 4.9 Pic Nic (demolished) Yarra River 5.7 Hawthorn ■ 5.8 Burwood Road 6.0 Power Street Kew line to Kew (dismantled) 6.8 Glenferrie Road 6.9 Glenferrie ■ 7.7 Auburn 8.9 Burke Road 9.0 Camberwell ●●■ Outer Circle line to Fairfield (dismantled) East Kew (demolished) Burke Road Deepdene (demolished) Whitehorse Road (Maroondah Highway) Roystead (demolished) Shenley (demolished) Canterbury Road Belgrave & Lilydale lines to Canterbury East Camberwell | Belgrave & Lilydale lines to Ringwood Alamein line to Camberwell 10.5 Riversdale ■ 10.6 Riversdale Road 10.9 Willison 12.1 Hartwell 12.5 Toorak Road (Burwood Highway) 12.9 Burwood ■ 14.2 Ashburton 14.4 High Street 14.9 Alamein Outer Circle line to Oakleigh (dismantled) km

ThylacineHunter (talk) 01:32, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter I think diagram 2 would be best. I may need some guidance with the history section though as this is getting a bit confusing! HoHo3143 (talk)

@HoHo3143 in comparison, Outer Circle 2 will match to this date.

Outer Circle railway line
km Hurstbridge line to Flinders Street 0.0 Fairfield Hurstbridge line to Hurstbridge Fulham Grange Heidelberg Road APM Siding Yarra River (now used as Chandler Highway) Willsmere High Street East Kew Burke Road Deepdene Whitehorse Road (Maroondah Highway) Roystead Shenley Canterbury Road Belgrave & Lilydale lines to Canterbury East Camberwell | Belgrave & Lilydale lines Alamein line to Camberwell Riversdale ■ Riversdale Road Willison Hartwell Toorak Road (Burwood Highway) Burwood ■ Ashburton High Street Alamein (not original) Gardiners Creek (Kooyongkoot Creek) Monash Freeway Glen Waverley line Glen Waverley line to Darling Waverley Road (closed) Dandenong Road (Princes Highway) Bairnsdale/Traralgon, Cranbourne & Pakenham lines to Flinders Street Hughesdale (not original) Rosstown Railway to Elsternwick (dismantled) Warrigal Road 25.3 Oakleigh Bairnsdale/Traralgon, Cranbourne & Pakenham lines to Dandenong km

Outer Circle railway line 2
km Hurstbridge line to Flinders Street 0.0 Fairfield Hurstbridge line to Hurstbridge Fulham Grange Heidelberg Road APM Siding (not original) Yarra River (now used as Chandler Highway) Willsmere High Street East Kew Burke Road Deepdene Whitehorse Road (Maroondah Highway) Roystead (not original) Shenley Canterbury Road Belgrave & Lilydale lines to Canterbury East Camberwell (not original) | Belgrave & Lilydale lines Alamein line to Camberwell Riversdale ■ Riversdale Road Willison (not original) Hartwell (not original) Toorak Road (Burwood Highway) Burwood ■ Ashburton High Street Alamein (not original) Gardiners Creek (Kooyongkoot Creek) Monash Freeway Glen Waverley line Glen Waverley line to Darling Waverley Road (closed) Dandenong Road (Princes Highway) Bairnsdale/Traralgon, Cranbourne & Pakenham lines to Flinders Street Hughesdale (not original) Rosstown Railway to Elsternwick (dismantled) Warrigal Road 25.3 Oakleigh Bairnsdale/Traralgon, Cranbourne & Pakenham lines to Dandenong km

ThylacineHunter (talk) 02:00, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

@ThylacineHunter Ok. You chose the one that you think is best. Once you chose and add it in, let me know any important information so I get the history bits correct. HoHo3143 (talk) 02:43, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

According to Outer Circle Line webpage, the line closed 1 May 1897. Alamein line must now include the line north to East Kew, Deepdene, Roystead & Shenley. This also means Roystead was never on the Outer Circle line. I'll add the correct route diagrams to both pages. I suggest also updating the Outer Circle line after this one. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 03:30, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

I probably won't go ahead and update the OCL page as my main focus is current stations and lines. HoHo3143 (talk) 04:34, 19 February 2023 (UTC)

Requested move 17 July 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. Sourcing appears in support of the originally proposed move. (closed by non-admin page mover) EggRoll97 ^(talk) 05:39, 27 July 2023 (UTC)

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Alamein railway line → Alamein line – WP:COMMONNAME swap with redirect ThylacineHunter (talk) 07:58, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

Note: redirects are ineligible to be current titles in move requests, and there is no need to list the redirect, Alamein line, to be swapped. A title swap will happen automatically if the Alamein railway line article is moved as proposed. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 18:14, 18 July 2023 (UTC)

• Comment Category:Railway lines in Melbourne uses the convention Foo railway line, with the exception of Sunbury line which was moved to that title without discussion by OP (and should likely be moved again, given the ambiguity with Sunbury Line.) OP has also suggested some related moves which should probably all be merged into one discussion. 162 etc. (talk) 15:20, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

  @162 etc. Foo railway line is the format for physical tracks, while the articles in question are services not physical track.

  Reverting this change is like renaming 42nd Street Shuttle to 42nd Street Shuttle railway line. -- ThylacineHunter (talk) 15:44, 17 July 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose, convention for Australian railway line articles where both the physical railway line and the services that operate on it are covered in one article is to use the Foo railway line format. Bagufleat (talk) 03:49, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

  What is the point of RMs? To change convention! We wouldn't be having an RM right now if people didn't want to change the convention. Anyway, the convention doesn't really hold when you consider Transperth lines, such as the Airport line, Perth, Mandurah line, Joondalup line, Fremantle line, Midland line, Perth, Armadale line. In short, your comment doesn't provide any actual reason against this requested move. Steelkamp (talk) 04:57, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

• Support Alamein line, oppose Alamein line service as per WP:COMMONNAME. Alamein line is the common name, as shown by [1] [2] [3] [4] [5] [6] [7] [8] [9] [10]. Steelkamp (talk) 04:54, 20 July 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.