Talk:2017 Levallois-Perret attack
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Requested move 20 February 2018
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The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page at this time, per the discussion below. The proposal is correct that it is important to consider WP:BLPCRIME when creating articles. In this case, it is worth noting that "hit-and-run" could be considered a more definite declaration that a criminal act occurred than the current title. See also Talk:2017 New York City truck attack#Requested move 20 February 2018. If there are remaining concerns, perhaps they should first be addressed through reexamining the article content, such as the appropriateness of the declaration that "The attack is part of a series of terrorist attacks in France since November 2015." Dekimasuよ! 19:55, 27 February 2018 (UTC)
Levallois-Perret attack → Levallois-Perret hit-and-run – Since Hamou Benlatrèche has been formally charged with attempted murder but has not been convicted of that crime, I believe WP:BLPCRIME protections should be our first consideration here over whatever WP:COMMONNAME is. Regardless of MSM being biased and referring to this as an "attack" prior to a criminal conviction, we should operate on a higher standard of proof and abide by our BLP guidelines even when our sources do not. My suggested new name is based on the phrase "hit-and-run" being used instead of attack in some of our sources, which I believe is more neutral to use than 'attack'.
- Bisserbe, Noemie (10 August 2017). "Details Emerge on Suspect in Paris Hit-and-Run". Wall Street Journal. Retrieved 20 August 2017.
- "Suspect in hit-and-run on French soldiers unknown to spy agencies: source". Reuters. 10 August 2017.
Just because many media sources move from HAR to saying "attack" doesn't mean we ought to do that prior to a criminal conviction. I would not object to this if the suspect is dead, but since the suspect is alive and unconvicted, BLP protection must extend to them and over-ride COMMONNAME policy. We must decide which is more important, and if that prioritizing is done consistently. ScratchMarshall (talk) 19:40, 20 February 2018 (UTC)
- Oppose. Witness statements make it clear it was a deliberate attack, whatever the motivation. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 21 February 2018 (UTC)
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Requested move 4 July 2018
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The result of the move request was: page moved back to 2017 Levallois-Perret attack. (closed by non-admin page mover) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 22:36, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
Levallois-Perret attack → Levallois-Perret car attack – Much better clarification than a bland term 'attack' that could mean anything. Gateshead001 (talk) 14:33, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Restore back to 2017 Levallois-Perret attack per normal style with terrorist attacks. And also to distinguish from a non-terrorist attack in 1891. In ictu oculi (talk) 17:55, 4 July 2018 (UTC)
- Support this alternative. Previous move 22:29, 9 August 2017 Jim Michael (talk | contribs | block) . . (54 bytes) (+54) . . (Jim Michael moved page 2017 Levallois-Perret attack to Levallois-Perret attack: appears to be the only notable attack in L-P) is blatantly in error. Andrewa (talk) 14:50, 11 July 2018 (UTC)
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