Talk:2000 UEFA Cup final riots

GA Review

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Reviewer: QatarStarsLeague (talk · contribs) 23:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC) I will review this article. QatarStarsLeague (talk) 23:32, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Lead

Concise, perfectly fine.

Infobox

Why are the British fans listed as hooligan firms while the Turkish fans are listed as just that, "fans". Are hooligan firms not as structured, or even extant, as they are in the UK?

I listed the Turkish fans as fans because there was no organized hooligan or ultras firm for Galatasaray at the time while the sources indicate that the British hooligan firms were the ones behind it and not regular Arsenal fans. Apparently, although it's from an unreliable source so we can't use it in the article, Galatasaray did set up an organized group called UltrAslan directly because of this due to not wanting to get ambushed again. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:19, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

History

A very nice section, with clear explanatory detail.

Events

Any word on the sentencing of the Arsenal fans who threatened the Kosovans?
All else in this section great.

I've looked long and hard but I can't seem to find anything that mentions what their sentences were. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:46, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Injuries and arrests

You say that the British fans were released but forbidden from returning the Denmark; what about the other nationalities listed?
All else great.

Just placed a new source in that says the rest were fined and exiled. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:38, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Aftermath

Excellent conclusion to the article.

Conclusion

This article is succinct, and very well referenced. I enjoyed reading about this bit of football history, and when the diminutive changes I proposed are made, I will pass the article. Congratulations! QatarStarsLeague (talk) 06:00, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

cannabis

question about the recent "cannabis was being freely traded to Galtasaray fans" assertion. Just wondering why it is relevant? Surely this is not exactly unusual at a major sporting gathering? Is it somehow relevant to what happened? Is it notable that it was only sold to turkish fans? NOt necessarily against its inclusion in the article, but it seems there should be a bit more context as to why this is notable. Peregrine981 (talk) 16:13, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Well I think that it might give a reason for some of the actions of those involved and it could also support the claim that the police had failed to act. Bearing in mind what you say, perhaps it's in the wrong paragraph and should be in the paragraph that covers criticism of the police. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 16:22, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

well, count me as dubious. Doesn't cannabis make people calmer? And surely it is far from unusual. Anyway, that's fine if the source suggests a link, but my turkish isn't so great, so can't really comment :P Peregrine981 (talk) 20:58, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

Neither is mine, I used google translate and tried to piece together what it claims the source said.. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 06:27, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

My translation comes up with this:

"Free sale of cannabis Copenhagen, 25 to control the region, separating the entire Danish National Police has deployed police force in the capital, half of Turkey's "core sabahlayanlar" I learn from the press that a group, but did his best to supervise the city. Although officially banned, street stalls, open mind, and everyone knows that cannabis sold in the streets of Copenhagen hippie neighborhood from time to time in the "Hell's Angels" and "Bomb.k" conflicts between groups used in the demonstrations against the European Union "Exception uniform", Galatasaray vs Arsenal which cabinets to match the Danish police, the 112 emergency telephone number in the "some technical problems", and therefore not very urgent aranmamasını wanted. Kopenhaglılar that believeth not the police's description of the game to take care of something else been mulling wishes. Danish police are thought to be suspicious of strangers, the Turkish authorities, "Give us a list of the Turks from the country to match" the request "to have found contrary to tradition rejected".

Obviously not a very good translation, so not sure if you have a better one. But my reading of that does not suggest that cannabis was being sold to galatasaray fans. It says that cannabis is sometimes openly sold in CPH, and that there is some gang activity related to it. Then some other not very clear info, and vague alegations that DK police are xenophobic. Based on that, I'd say that it is hard for us to put in anything conclusively about cannabis use. What is clearer is that alcohol was involved. Peregrine981 (talk) 08:07, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

True. I think it's probably better if it is translated properly by someone who can speak Turkish. You could be right though but I'm trying to find some other way to include this source as a recent PR said the article needed some Turkish sources. The C of E God Save the Queen! (talk) 08:26, 19 July 2013 (UTC)

True enough. Maybe check either at embassy of turkish wikipedia or Wikipedia:WikiProject_Turkey, and hopefully someone will be willing. Peregrine981 (talk) 08:56, 19 July 2013 (UTC)