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DescriptionHuntsville1974.jpg	English: Damage at the intersection of Drake Avenue and Memorial Parkway in Huntsville.
Date	Taken in 1974
Source	http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hun/?n=madisonal_grounddam_1974_aniv (dead link; moved to https://www.weather.gov/hun/madisonal_grounddam_1974_aniv
Author	Madison EMA

This media file has been nominated for deletion since 26 November 2024.

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Reason for the nomination:

These images were sourced from a webpage of the US National Weather Service but are the work of a third-party photographer or photograhers. They are attributed to the Madison county emergency management agency (EMA).

For many years, hosting such images on the Commons was done in good faith under the rationale that:

public submissions to the NWS all entered the public domain and/or
all files hosted on NWS websites were in the public domain unless they carried a formal copyright notice

An extensive review of this rationale in 2024 revealed that neither of these beliefs held up to scrutiny. These findings were confirmed in an RfC conducted from August to October 2024.

Per COM:ONUS it is the responsibility of the person uploading an image to the Commons or anyone arguing for its retention here to provide evidence of permission from the copyright holder. Nevertheless, I contacted the EMA on September 12 to ask whether they still own the copyrights. They stopped short of actually confirming this, but their response implied that they do, requesting further information about the intended use. When I asked about the possibility of publishing these images under a free license, they stopped responding. I forwarded this conversation to the VRT. Ticket:2024091210003501

I noted that the File:Huntsville1974.jpg appeared to have been scanned from a printed and bound publication. Playing a hunch, I investigated what had been published about this tornado, and playing a hunch, tracked down and purchased a copy of April 3, 1974: The Alabama Tornadoes published by C.F.Boone soon after the event. Cost of the book, plus postage from Alabama to Australia came to about $60. However, it did allow me to confirm that:

this photo was published in this book, on page 19
the book was published with a valid copyright notice, both on the inside front cover, and the reverse title page
images in the 100-page book are not individually credited, so unfortunately, the identity of the specific photographer remains unknown.

There are no known earlier publications of File:Harvest450.jpg before it was published on the NWS website circa 2014.

As far as we can tell, both these images are still protected by copyright. Since they are presumably unfree, we must delete them as a precaution under COM:PRP.

Closing admins should familiarise themselves with the evidence and discussions at this RfC when closing this request.

Rlandmann (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

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File:Harvest450.jpg

These images were sourced from a webpage of the US National Weather Service but are the work of a third-party photographer or photograhers. They are attributed to the Madison county emergency management agency (EMA).

For many years, hosting such images on the Commons was done in good faith under the rationale that:

public submissions to the NWS all entered the public domain and/or
all files hosted on NWS websites were in the public domain unless they carried a formal copyright notice

An extensive review of this rationale in 2024 revealed that neither of these beliefs held up to scrutiny. These findings were confirmed in an RfC conducted from August to October 2024.

Per COM:ONUS it is the responsibility of the person uploading an image to the Commons or anyone arguing for its retention here to provide evidence of permission from the copyright holder. Nevertheless, I contacted the EMA on September 12 to ask whether they still own the copyrights. They stopped short of actually confirming this, but their response implied that they do, requesting further information about the intended use. When I asked about the possibility of publishing these images under a free license, they stopped responding. I forwarded this conversation to the VRT. Ticket:2024091210003501

I noted that the File:Huntsville1974.jpg appeared to have been scanned from a printed and bound publication. Playing a hunch, I investigated what had been published about this tornado, and playing a hunch, tracked down and purchased a copy of April 3, 1974: The Alabama Tornadoes published by C.F.Boone soon after the event. Cost of the book, plus postage from Alabama to Australia came to about $60. However, it did allow me to confirm that:

this photo was published in this book, on page 19
the book was published with a valid copyright notice, both on the inside front cover, and the reverse title page
images in the 100-page book are not individually credited, so unfortunately, the identity of the specific photographer remains unknown.

There are no known earlier publications of File:Harvest450.jpg before it was published on the NWS website circa 2014.

As far as we can tell, both these images are still protected by copyright. Since they are presumably unfree, we must delete them as a precaution under COM:PRP.

Closing admins should familiarise themselves with the evidence and discussions at this RfC when closing this request.

Rlandmann (talk) 08:45, 26 November 2024 (UTC)}} ~~~~

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	Date/Time	Thumbnail	Dimensions	User	Comment
current	06:06, 12 June 2014		640 × 428 (60 KB)	TornadoInformation12	{{Information \|Description ={{en\|1=Damage at the intersection of Drake Avenue and Memorial Parkway in Huntsville.}} \|Source =http://www.srh.noaa.gov/hun/?n=madisonal_grounddam_1974_aniv \|Author =NWS Huntsville, AL \|Date =19...

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